Re: [whatwg] Definition of alt= attribute

2006-01-24 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
On 24 Jan, 2006, at 5:43 AM, dolphinling wrote: Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: Bizarre but serious conclusion: alt= should be optional for img in documents where a meta name=generator... element is present. How about Authoring tools MUST only provide alternate text that the author explicitly

Re: [whatwg] 2.20.2 The command element - icon attribute

2006-03-03 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
that's another false dilemma, but to be honest I'm not even sure what you're saying. :-) Cheers -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

Re: [whatwg] Select conformance

2006-04-01 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
is disabled is that its contents are greyed out -- its outline does not change. (This is true of buttons in the Classic theme in Windows, for example.) So a select whose selected item (and therefore its only visible item) was disabled would look entirely unusable. -- Matthew Paul Thomas http

Re: [whatwg] Show upload progress

2006-05-06 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
from ignoring XmlHttp traffic for progress bar purposes whenever displaying any non-XmlHttp progress. -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

Re: [whatwg] On accessibility

2006-06-14 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
so non-obvious -- instructions that may be incorrect for some platforms, depending on how they're worded, and that are irrelevant for non-interactive UAs like Google.) -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

Re: [whatwg] Spellchecking proposal #2

2006-06-24 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
in a really obscure place (about:config or equivalent), and leave 99.9% of people wondering vaguely why spellchecking works on some pages and not others. -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

Re: [whatwg] Spellchecking proposal #2

2006-06-26 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
On Jun 25, 2006, at 11:59 PM, Lachlan Hunt wrote: Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: ... But realistically, browsers won't allow the user to easily override it if they want to, because any interface for doing that would be absurd. ... * Status bar icon/text that indicates if spell checking

Re: [whatwg] Where did the rev attribute go?

2006-07-13 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
survived (with minor modifications) to HTML 4, *except for* person and au[thor]. http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/html3/logical.html -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

Re: [whatwg] input type=country?

2006-08-23 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
lives in a part of the world doesn't agree with the 'official' list of countries? You use a select. ... Or, if you're using Web Forms 2 anyway, a datalist. -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

Re: [whatwg] [WebForms2] custom form validation notifications

2006-10-08 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
of a benefit when the Web site is not in your preferred language). Is the use of the title attribute inappropriate for this case? ... It has the same lack of context. -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

Re: [whatwg] [HTML5] 3.10.9. The |abbr| element

2006-11-02 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
relevant in the context. -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

[whatwg] The utility function for semantics in HTML

2006-11-04 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
of strong and em.) Many people concentrate on one or two of these effects and gloss over the others, so their idea of the overall utility function is warped. -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

Re: [whatwg] Footnotes, endnotes, sidenotes

2006-11-04 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
.  ... Scholarly books sometimes use both footnotes and endnotes for different things -- footnotes for citations and endnotes for tangential discussions, or vice versa. I've never seen an HTML document try to make this distinction, though. -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

Re: [whatwg] caption (was: How not to fix HTML)

2006-11-04 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
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Re: [whatwg] [HTML5] Editorial: 3.10.18. The |sup| and |sub| elements

2006-11-04 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
textbooks etc) with the m in a different style from the c? If not, perhaps the definition of var needs to be expanded to include physical constants. -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

Re: [whatwg] Footnotes, endnotes, sidenotes

2006-11-04 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
, an unobtrusive sound effect at each footnote reference, and a command to read the last-encountered footnote. -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

Re: [whatwg] colspan=0

2006-11-05 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
. -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

Re: [whatwg] The IMG element, proposing a CAPTION attribute

2006-11-15 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
. A link in a tooltip would usually be impossible to click. :-) -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

[whatwg] Meaning of the title= attribute

2006-11-28 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
be Supplemental text that is relevant only when concentrating on the element to which it applies. -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

Re: [whatwg] Allow trailing slash in always-empty HTML5 elements?

2006-12-08 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
browsers's text/html - XML list.. ... That would be even worse. -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

Re: [whatwg] Allow trailing slash in always-empty HTML5 elements?

2006-12-14 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
. Personally, I would *love* Google to do this sort of thing. I just have no hope for it. ... http://labs.google.com/accessible/ -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

Re: [whatwg] several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-18 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
not relevant to the WhatWG (and I apologize for participating). If you think search engine result pages would be better if festooned with useless warnings, lobby your favorite search engine vendor, or go start your own. -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

Re: [whatwg] Semantic styling languages in the guise of HTML attributes.

2006-12-27 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
). Heuristic machine consumption fails occasionally by the very nature of heuristics (examples currently include http://www.google.com/search?q=define:author and http://www.google.com/search?q=define:editor.) -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

Re: [whatwg] Semantic styling languages in the guise of HTML attributes.

2006-12-27 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
On Dec 26, 2006, at 1:50 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: ... Non-heuristic machine consumption fails when semantic elements are abused, and becomes practical when elements have multiple popular meanings (examples of the latter include dl in HTML 4, and p in HTML 5). That should have been

[whatwg] Problems with the definition of cite

2007-01-05 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
compatible and visually obvious (if less semantically obvious) definition of cite is marking up the name of a work: a book, film, exhibition, game, etc. To close on a minor point: en-GB-hixie notwithstanding, it's preceded, not preceeded. :-) Cheers -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

Re: [whatwg] contenteditable, em and strong

2007-01-10 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
screenreaders yet that make such a distinction (are there any? I forget), that's a very small benefit for a very small audience. Fantasai's example of emphasis in Chinese text is much more interesting. -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

Re: [whatwg] contenteditable, em and strong

2007-01-10 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
On Jan 11, 2007, at 2:17 AM, Henri Sivonen wrote: On Jan 10, 2007, at 13:26, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: The message please use b and i unless you really know what you're doing, and generate b and i unless your users really know what they're doing is *not* well-known. What's the expected

Re: [whatwg] contenteditable, em and strong

2007-01-11 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
arguing about which one to use is not without opportunity cost. ... Not without makes that statement look more profound than it is. -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

Re: [whatwg] Problems with the definition of cite

2007-01-20 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
On Jan 17, 2007, at 12:46 AM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: ... This is the correct way to do it: pqThis is correct!/q, said citeIan/cite./p Despite this being consistent with the example given in the HTML 4 specification, it is not compatible

Re: [whatwg] blockquote cite and q cite

2007-01-21 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
On Jan 11, 2007, at 7:01 AM, Sander Tekelenburg wrote: At 14:42 +1300 UTC, on 2007-01-07, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: On Jan 7, 2007, at 7:13 AM, Sander Tekelenburg wrote: ... It's still entirely unclear to me *why* the cite attribute needs a replacement. What is wrong with it? First, it's

Re: [whatwg] Problems with the definition of cite

2007-01-21 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
On Jan 21, 2007, at 10:37 PM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: I could have said in my 24 years of reading in a wide variety of fields I have never, not once, come across a document that intentionally used italics to indicate it was quoting someone, but I was trying

[whatwg] Use cases for style= on arbitrary elements

2007-01-21 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
for each of them would add substantially to the size of the page. Cheers -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

Re: [whatwg] several messages about HTML5

2007-02-20 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
radically, from vinyl, to cassette, to CD, to purely digital. Why should the Web shy away from a radical technological change? ... For the same reasons people shy away from learning Esperanto. Vinyl, cassettes, and CDs are not languages. Cheers -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

Re: [whatwg] Target Attribute Values

2007-04-26 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
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Re: [whatwg] Target Attribute Values

2007-04-28 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
help links reuse only its own help window, and don't accidentally obliterate those of other apps or even other open windows in the same app? Generate a per-page UUID prefix for all its target= attribute values? :-) -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

Re: [whatwg] Target Attribute Values

2007-04-28 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
design.) Cheers -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

Re: [whatwg] Target Attribute Values

2007-04-29 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
in the original page), and encourage UAs to indicate when a link will open in a different top-level browsing context (e.g. by double-underlining instead of single-underlining). -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

Re: [whatwg] Target Attribute Values

2007-05-04 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
is specified to open in a new window in the first place. So it is fair for HTML5 to encourage those things, but beyond that, this discussion may be getting a bit off-topic. Cheers -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: Allow block content inside label element

2007-05-08 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
field* when you click its label, on a platform where that doesn't happen in native GUIs (e.g. Windows, Mac OS, Gnome, or KDE), that's a bug in the browser. Web Forms 2 clarifies this. http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/#label Cheers -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: Allow block content inside label element

2007-05-11 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
- but there is a possibility to overthrow it by making it void on a legal basis: The Microsoft Windows environment does not provide a native LABEL control.* ... That's not true. For example: http://urlx.org/microsoft.com/7354a Cheers -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

[whatwg] input type=search

2007-05-18 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
that should be addressed (in Web Forms 3?) with a specific error for=... element. Cheers -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

Re: [whatwg] Content-Type (was Style sheet loading and parsing

2007-05-26 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
instead. Mozilla browsers don't do that any more, and nor does any other browser I know of, because it made for a horrid user experience. Cheers -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

[whatwg] Corrections and clarifications to the WhatWG charter

2007-05-27 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
be updated to refer to HTML 5 rather than Web Forms 2.0 and Web Applications 1.0. Cheers -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

Re: [whatwg] Web Applications 1.0 and Menu Labels

2007-08-09 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
be useful to make an entire menu disabled even if the platform UI convention is for disabled menu titles to look enabled. Cheers -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

Re: [whatwg] lede element

2007-10-02 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
paragraph inside the article container. I doubt any news site would deliberately make the lede a paragraph other than the first one (burying the lede) *and* want it specially formatted. Cheers -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

Re: [whatwg] img element comments

2007-10-14 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
would require us to choose between server-side generation of every chart image, incompatibility with w3m, or non-conformance with any HTML specification. I know w3m isn't exactly a major browser, but I don't see any good reason for having to make that choice. Cheers -- Matthew Paul Thomas http

Re: [whatwg] CENTER, MENU, DIR, NL; Re: Presentational elements in Web Applications 1.0

2007-11-01 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
On Oct 30, 2007, at 4:33 AM, Ian Hickson wrote: ... On Sun, 15 Jan 2006, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: ... Authors should use presentational markup whenever there is no available semantic markup for the relevant meaning, or when they are providing authoring facilities for people who cannot

Re: [whatwg] BIG Element

2007-11-03 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
. So a more helpful default would be something like: em {font-style: italic-inverse;} em em {font-style: bold;} em em em {font-size: 1.2em;} Cheers -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

Re: [whatwg] BIG Element

2007-11-04 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
On Nov 4, 2007, at 5:59 AM, Keryx Web wrote: Matthew Paul Thomas skrev: To allow this on the Web, the CSS font-style property would need to have not just normal, italic, and oblique values, but also an italic-inverse value. Browsers should then use this value by default for any inline

Re: [whatwg] Context help in Web Forms

2007-11-11 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
using extra elements or JavaScript. We should probably aim higher than that though... ... I'm suggesting either replacing foo cite=url/foo with bar rel=citation for=id-of-foo, or dropping cite= altogether. Cheers -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

Re: [whatwg] accesskey

2008-01-27 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
that contain links don't also use accesskey=, handset vendors should find a way to allow easy navigation of links regardless of whether the attribute is present. Cheers -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

[whatwg] ins, del, and mark crossing element boundaries

2008-04-02 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
this observation is. Maybe it means ins, del, and mark shouldn't be HTML elements, but should be something else instead. -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

[whatwg] Proposal: target=_reference

2008-04-26 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
was placed -- at the end of a section, at the end of the page, or even on a separate page. And it wouldn't even require adding any new elements or attributes to HTML. ... On Mon, 30 Apr 2007, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: For example, forms sporting those By submitting this form you accept our

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target=_reference

2008-04-27 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
was going to be, and search already was, handled differently in IE7 anyway. and why would it be more successful in practice? Because it would be cross-browser. Cheers -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: Allow block content inside label element

2008-05-04 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
On May 9, 2007, at 2:27 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: On May 8, 2007, at 9:06 PM, Kristof Zelechovski wrote: ... From the behavioral point of view: The purpose of a LABEL control is to redirect focus on click. It does not make much sense with a TEXTAREA control that is usually big enough

Re: [whatwg] Review of the 3.16 section and the HTMLInputElementinterface

2008-05-16 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
On May 16, 2008, at 5:50 AM, Jon Barnett wrote: On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Imagine further that this iPhone has no user-visible file system. It stores music, but annoyingly, the device vendor doesn't want to let people upload songs

Re: [whatwg] Context help in Web Forms

2008-06-02 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
Ian Hickson wrote on 27/05/08 07:47: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: On Oct 30, 2007, at 6:01 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Matthew Thomas wrote: ... Many applications provide inline help which is not a label, and the same attributes would be appropriate

Re: [whatwg] [WF2] |min| and |max| number of selected |option|s

2008-07-05 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
instead. Cheers -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/ ---AV Spam Filtering by M+Guardian - Risk Free Email (TM)---

Re: [whatwg] Web Applications 1.0 and Menu Labels

2008-08-06 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
Ian Hickson wrote on 29/07/08 03:21: On Fri, 10 Aug 2007, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: ... I'm suggesting that since it is common for entire menus -- or toolbars -- to be temporarily irrelevant, such as when focus is in a field or pane where they do not apply, there should be a disabled

Re: [whatwg] img element comments

2008-08-06 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
Ian Hickson wrote on 30/07/08 04:08: On Sun, 14 Oct 2007, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: On Oct 14, 2007, at 2:03 AM, Henri Sivonen wrote: I don't think If both attributes are specified, then the ratio of the specified width to the specified height must be the same as the ratio

Re: [whatwg] Web forms 2, input type suggestions (Michael A. Puls II)

2008-10-29 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
a single address. -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/ ---AV Spam Filtering by M+Guardian - Risk Free Email (TM)---

Re: [whatwg] ---

2008-11-10 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
/HTMLPlus/htmlplus_16.html Those presentational elements continued into HTML 2.0. HTML has always been a dance between structure and presentation. Too structural, and humans won't understand it; too presentational, and computers won't understand it. -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz

Re: [whatwg] input placeholder=

2008-11-25 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
value (indicating the input field or textarea should be cleared upon focusing it) would probably be most suitable. ... On Wed, 23 May 2007, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: I don't understand. What use is a default value if you can't edit it? Why not make the field empty to begin with? On Fri, 25 May

Re: [whatwg] Persistent SharedWorkers

2009-03-10 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
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