On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Justin Lebar justin.le...@gmail.com wrote:
Can you provide the content of the page which you used in your
whitepaper?
(https://bug529208.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=455820)
I'll post this to the bug when I get home tonight. But your comments
are
On 8/10/10 2:40 PM, Mike Belshe wrote:
For now, I believe the Chrome/WebKit teams are in agreement that
sacrificing time-to-first render to decrease PLT is a bad idea. I'm not
sure what the firefox philosophy here is?
Fairly similar (though we have had people complain at us when we do in
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+...@gmail.com wrote:
If UAs can assume that files with the same path
are the same regardless of whether they came from a resource package
or which, and they have all but a couple of the files cached, they
could request those directly
Can you provide the content of the page which you used in your whitepaper?
(https://bug529208.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=455820)
I'll post this to the bug when I get home tonight. But your comments
are astute -- the page I used is a pretty bad benchmark for a variety
of reasons.
On 8/9/10 4:30 PM, Mike Belshe wrote:
CNN is always cited as a bad page, but it's really not - it just has a lot of
content, both below and above the
fold.
It's a bad page because 1) It sends hundreds of kilobytes of content for
no obvious reason whatsoever; most of it is unused and 2) it
The files I used for the rough benchmarks are available in a tarball
at [1]. Live pages are at [2] and [3].
[1] http://people.mozilla.org/~jlebar/respkg/test/benchmark_files.tgz
[2] http://people.mozilla.org/~jlebar/respkg/test/test-pkg.html
[3]
Justin Lebar:
Christoph Päper christoph.pae...@crissov.de wrote:
Why do you want to put this on the HTML level (exclusively), not the HTTP
level?
If you reference an image from a CSS file and include that CSS file in an
HTML file which uses resource packages, the image can be loaded
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Christoph Päper
christoph.pae...@crissov.de wrote:
Justin Lebar:
Christoph Päper christoph.pae...@crissov.de wrote:
Why do you want to put this on the HTML level (exclusively), not the HTTP
level?
If you reference an image from a CSS file and include that
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Christoph Päper
christoph.pae...@crissov.de wrote:
Justin Lebar:
Christoph Päper christoph.pae...@crissov.de wrote:
Why do you want to put this on the HTML level (exclusively), not the HTTP
level?
If you reference an image from a CSS file and include that
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Justin Lebar justin.le...@gmail.com wrote:
We at Mozilla are hoping to ship HTML resource packages in Firefox 4,
and we wanted to get the WhatWG's feedback on the feature.
For the impatient, the spec is here:
http://people.mozilla.org/~jlebar/respkg/
I
So if resource packages don't share caches, you need to either give up
on caching, [or] put a given file only in one resource package on your
whole site. The latter is not practical if pages use small, fairly
random subsets of your assets and it's not feasible to package them
all on every
Justin Lebar:
We at Mozilla are hoping to ship HTML resource packages in Firefox 4,
http://people.mozilla.org/~jlebar/respkg/
| html packages='[pkg1.zip img1.png script.js styles/style.css]
|[static/pkg2.zip]'
A page indicates in its html element that it uses one or more
On 4 August 2010 20:08, Christoph Päper christoph.pae...@crissov.de wrote:
* Argument: What about incremental rendering?
If there are, for instance, lots of (content) images in the resource file I
will see them all at once as soon as the ZIP has been downloaded completely
and decompressed,
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:11 PM, James May wha...@fowlsmurf.net wrote:
On 4 August 2010 20:08, Christoph Päper christoph.pae...@crissov.de
wrote:
* Argument: What about incremental rendering?
If there are, for instance, lots of (content) images in the resource file
I will see them all at
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:31 AM, Justin Lebar justin.le...@gmail.com wrote:
We at Mozilla are hoping to ship HTML resource packages in Firefox 4,
and we wanted to get the WhatWG's feedback on the feature.
For the impatient, the spec is here:
http://people.mozilla.org/~jlebar/respkg/
It
On 4 Aug 2010, at 11:46, Diego Perini wrote:
* Argument: What about incremental rendering?
If there are, for instance, lots of (content) images in the resource file I
will see them all at once as soon as the ZIP has been downloaded completely
and decompressed, but with single files I
People should probably consider reading the Web Apps Widgets working
group archives (they're public) about widget packaging.
There are long discussions about zip and gzip, etc.
http://www.w3.org/TR/widgets/#zip-archive
Especially http://www.w3.org/TR/widgets/#character-sets covers character
Brett Zamir bret...@yahoo.com wrote:
1) I think it would be nice to see explicit confirmation in the spec that
this works with offline caching.
Yes. I'll do that.
2) Could data files such as .txt, .json, or .xml files be used as part of
such a package as well?
3) Can XMLHttpRequest be
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Justin Lebar justin.le...@gmail.com wrote:
What happens if the document contains multiple html elements (not
all the root element)? (e.g. if it's XHTML, or the elements are added
by scripts). The packages spec seems to assume there is only ever one.
The
If you do want it to work the same then you'll need to hook into the
parser and ignore dynamic updates.
Indeed. And since I explicitly *do* want dynamic updates, it'll need to change.
Thanks.
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Philip Taylor excors+wha...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at
2010/8/4 Kornel Lesiński kor...@geekhood.net
On 4 Aug 2010, at 11:46, Diego Perini wrote:
* Argument: What about incremental rendering?
If there are, for instance, lots of (content) images in the resource
file I will see them all at once as soon as the ZIP has been downloaded
completely
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 5:31 PM, Justin Lebar justin.le...@gmail.com wrote:
We at Mozilla are hoping to ship HTML resource packages in Firefox 4,
and we wanted to get the WhatWG's feedback on the feature.
For the impatient, the spec is here:
http://people.mozilla.org/~jlebar/respkg/
and
This is and was a great idea. A few points/questions:
1) I think it would be nice to see explicit confirmation in the spec
that this works with offline caching.
2) Could data files such as .txt, .json, or .xml files be used as part
of such a package as well?
3) Can XMLHttpRequest be made
On Aug 3, 2010, at 5:31 PM, Justin Lebar wrote:
We at Mozilla are hoping to ship HTML resource packages in Firefox 4,
and we wanted to get the WhatWG's feedback on the feature.
For the impatient, the spec is here:
http://people.mozilla.org/~jlebar/respkg/
and the bug (complete with
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