Re: [whatwg] Media sink device selection on audio/video

2014-04-11 Thread Edward O'Connor
Hi, The consensus opinion at WebRTC and MediaCapture seemed to be that the ability to let an app say which of these 5 microphones do you want? is more amenable to creating good apps than leaving this UI to the browser chrome. Seems to me that the privacy aspects (the fingerprinting

Re: [whatwg] Media sink device selection on audio/video

2014-04-11 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Edward O'Connor eocon...@apple.com wrote: The consensus opinion at WebRTC and MediaCapture seemed to be that the ability to let an app say which of these 5 microphones do you want? is more amenable to creating good apps than leaving this UI to the browser

Re: [whatwg] Media sink device selection on audio/video

2014-04-07 Thread Harald Alvestrand
On 04/02/2014 07:52 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Mon, 3 Mar 2014, Ami Fischman wrote: Looks like we're back in business: Latest editor's draft: http://dev.w3.org/2011/webrtc/editor/getusermedia.html Thanks. As a user, this scares me a lot. Why isn't it up to me to control this? I don't

Re: [whatwg] Media sink device selection on audio/video

2014-04-07 Thread Ami Fischman
Thanks Ian. I pinged public-media-capture about this and https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25245 is now tracking making that spec better specified. On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Mon, 3 Mar 2014, Ami Fischman wrote: Looks like we're back

Re: [whatwg] Media sink device selection on audio/video

2014-04-07 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 7 Apr 2014, Harald Alvestrand wrote: On 04/02/2014 07:52 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Mon, 3 Mar 2014, Ami Fischman wrote: Looks like we're back in business: Latest editor's draft: http://dev.w3.org/2011/webrtc/editor/getusermedia.html As a user, this scares me a lot.

Re: [whatwg] Media sink device selection on audio/video

2014-04-07 Thread Harald Alvestrand
On 04/07/2014 06:20 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Mon, 7 Apr 2014, Harald Alvestrand wrote: On 04/02/2014 07:52 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Mon, 3 Mar 2014, Ami Fischman wrote: Looks like we're back in business: Latest editor's draft: http://dev.w3.org/2011/webrtc/editor/getusermedia.html As a

Re: [whatwg] Media sink device selection on audio/video

2014-04-07 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 7 Apr 2014, Harald Alvestrand wrote: The consensus opinion at WebRTC and MediaCapture seemed to be that the ability to let an app say which of these 5 microphones do you want? is more amenable to creating good apps than leaving this UI to the browser chrome. Seems to me that the

Re: [whatwg] Media sink device selection on audio/video

2014-04-07 Thread David Young
On Mon, Apr 07, 2014 at 07:28:45PM +0200, Harald Alvestrand wrote: On 04/07/2014 06:20 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: When I was first desigining the API for WebRTC (years ago, before it got rather unceremoniously forked by the W3C), the security design I had come up with was basically that the UA

Re: [whatwg] Media sink device selection on audio/video

2014-04-02 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014, Ami Fischman wrote: Looks like we're back in business: Latest editor's draft: http://dev.w3.org/2011/webrtc/editor/getusermedia.html Thanks. As a user, this scares me a lot. Why isn't it up to me to control this? I don't understand the security model here at all. I

Re: [whatwg] Media sink device selection on audio/video

2014-03-03 Thread Ami Fischman
Ian, On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: Can you let us know when there's a URL that will permanently hold the latest (including day-to-day updates) spec? Looks like we're back in business: Latest editor's draft:

Re: [whatwg] Media sink device selection on audio/video

2014-02-07 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 18 Dec 2013, Ami Fischman wrote: On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Tue, 17 Dec 2013, Ami Fischman wrote: Recently https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23263 Navigator acquired the ability to enumerate media output devices (in

Re: [whatwg] Media sink device selection on audio/video

2014-02-07 Thread Ami Fischman
Ian, The link you're looking at is currently being used to focus the WG's attention on the Constrainable business, which is why everything else has disappeared. This is temporary :) See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webrtc/2014Feb/.html for the haps, and the previous editor's

Re: [whatwg] Media sink device selection on audio/video

2014-02-07 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 7 Feb 2014, Ami Fischman wrote: The link you're looking at is currently being used to focus the WG's attention on the Constrainable business, which is why everything else has disappeared. This is temporary :) See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webrtc/2014Feb/.html for

Re: [whatwg] Media sink device selection on audio/video

2014-01-13 Thread Ami Fischman
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 8:47 PM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.comwrote: [...] Do you mean to make this per-origin as well? (It will require storing that information per-origin forever, or until some invisible timeout.) That seems about as restrictive as one could make it, but is the API

Re: [whatwg] Media sink device selection on audio/video

2014-01-13 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 5:51 AM, Ami Fischman fisch...@chromium.org wrote: On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 8:47 PM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: [...] Do you mean to make this per-origin as well? (It will require storing that information per-origin forever, or until some invisible

Re: [whatwg] Media sink device selection on audio/video

2014-01-13 Thread Ami Fischman
Hmm; I wasn't thinking in terms of per-device, only per-origin and per-browser/machine. Seems like a conversation for public-media-capture? On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.comwrote: On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 5:51 AM, Ami Fischman fisch...@chromium.org wrote:

Re: [whatwg] Media sink device selection on audio/video

2014-01-13 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
Perhaps :) I'm not on that list, but am fine leaving this to people who have stronger opinions than me on the issue. On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 6:36 AM, Ami Fischman fisch...@chromium.org wrote: Hmm; I wasn't thinking in terms of per-device, only per-origin and per-browser/machine. Seems like a

Re: [whatwg] Media sink device selection on audio/video

2014-01-12 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Ami Fischman fisch...@chromium.org wrote: On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Tue, 17 Dec 2013, Ami Fischman wrote: Recently https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23263 Navigator acquired the ability to enumerate

Re: [whatwg] Media sink device selection on audio/video

2013-12-18 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013, Ami Fischman wrote: Recently https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23263 Navigator acquired the ability to enumerate media output devices (in addition to input devices): http://dev.w3.org/2011/webrtc/editor/getusermedia.html#enumerating-devices What's the