Hi, Erik, I agree with you: it seems like most BSCs (big slow companies) don't care about that at all. Still I think - just like you - that they are valid arguments and thus need to be mentioned. Be the prophet! Make them care about it! :)
Additionally, presenting this stuff to a sales team could still work imo. They _do_ care about maintainability and reusability (less work = less cost = more money) and although they probably have no clue what wicket is (or Java for that matter ;) there might be a CFO (or any other financial abbreviation) present when your project gets approved or rejected. My two cents... :) // Che > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Erik van Oosten > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 2:06 PM > To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: SUSPECT: Re: [Wicket-user] Wicket arguments for big > slow companies (Was: links about wicket scalability...) > > I like those. Lets hold them against the unfair criteria > again (this is > really fun): > > - Developer team scalability: Nice, this is indeed something large > companies need and/or struggle with. Who has never had > revision 1285 of > struts-config.xml? And many big companies like splitting up work over > technical lines instead of functional lines (java vs. html). > > - Reusability: I have unfortunately never seen a big slow > company that > cared about this. Please tell me if you saw some. > > - Maintainability: I have not seen many big slow companies that cared > about this deeply. Furthermore, the big companies I worked at > 'maintainability' is usually associated with 'maintenance': > keeping big > databases and J2EE application clusters alive. I am > hesitating whether > this one should be on the list. > > Erik. > > > > Eelco Hillenius schreef: > > I'm missing my favorites :) > > > > - Scales very well for development. Whether you're working in a team > > of 2 people or 20, you'll have all the possibilities of breaking > > functionality down in smaller pieces. Let your developers works on > > whole pages, or just (reusable) panels, or even on highly > specialized > > components. Also, using separate HTML/ CSS people to mock up pages > > works really well with Wicket (*). > > - Reusability. Over multiple projects or in just one project: > > reusability is great, and actually is exactly the same thing as what > > makes OO great. You abstract a 'problem' with its data and behavior, > > and make it available for users to utilize in multiple > situations. See > > related rant on custom components here: > > > http://chillenious.wordpress.com/2006/05/12/a-word-about-custo > m-components/ > > - Maintainability. Same rules as OO apply. Changes are more local, > > making refactoring easier. Reusability makes that you'll have less > > copy 'n paste code. Etc. > > > > Eelco > > > > * There have been a bunch of discussions where some wind bags said > > that this is something no-one actually does. But they are wrong, > > because I've seen it work, and some of the projects I know of > > currently are doing it with great success as well. > > > > > > On 9/26/06, Erik van Oosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Okay, so we've got: > >> > >> Irrefutable arguments for using wicket in big slow companies: > >> > >> * Very small learning curve. > >> Comment: Agreed. But I still think you need at least one more > >> experienced Wicket developers for more advanced things like > >> manipulating html generated by other components. Of > course, books > >> like 'Pro Wicket' help a lot but are not for every > programmer. > >> * Natural programming paradigm familiar to Java developers > >> Comment: Changed that to _Java_ developers. > >> * Excellent feedback messages of the framework when > something goes > >> wrong. > >> * Robustness, no weird or unexpected behavior. > >> > >> * Limited knowledge required of web technologies > (HTML, javascript) > >> and still do advanced stuff in a fraction of the > time it takes you > >> with other frameworks (just consider e.g. something > as tabs and > >> paging). > >> Comment: I am not sure so sure about this one. Do > you mean that > >> you only need limited knowledge of HTML and > Javascript? And what > >> do you mean by 'advanced stuff'? > >> > >> May I add: > >> > >> * Excellent clustering support. > >> Rationale: even though you can discuss about this to > death (as on > >> the thread on JavaLobby), I think we agree that > Wicket currently > >> has sufficient knobs to make this is a problem solved. > >> * Excellent mailing list support. > >> > >> I also thought about: * Good support for modern web pages > (AJAX), while > >> being compatible with older browsers. But this one is I am > afraid not > >> good enough. For example FireFox 1.0 is not supported. > >> > >> Anyone else? > >> > >> Thanks Erik, > >> Erik. > >> > >> -- > >> Erik van Oosten > >> http://www.day-to-day-stuff.blogspot.com/ > >> > >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------- > >> Take Surveys. Earn Cash. 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