Re: Results so far (was Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE)
Is the voting officially closed ? :) and does that mean 'constructor and JDK5' will come packaged as one release wicket 2.0? On 2/21/06, Al Maw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexandru Popescu wrote: I know that this might be early considering the lenght of the thread, but what is the voting result? :-). So far I count: 40 votes for both at once (constructor and JDK5) 17 votes for split releases (16 plus me, I'm voting now. :-) ) Al --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user -- -- karthik -- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid3432bid#0486dat1642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
Re: Results so far (was Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE)
The vote isn't officially closed. We didn't set a time limit at beforehand. It is probably dead though :)In this case, the vote was NON-binding. That basically means that the core team can do whatever we want, ignoring everything and build Wicket 2 on dolphin (Java 7). Surpise! We haven't started discussing the benefits of either option, and I'm not starting to do so here. :-) That is for another thread.And AFAICR I haven't voted yet... and I'm still torn between the two choices. MartijnOn 2/22/06, karthik Guru [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is the voting officially closed ? :)and does that mean 'constructor and JDK5' will come packaged as one releasewicket 2.0?On 2/21/06, Al Maw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexandru Popescu wrote: I know that this might be early considering the lenght of the thread, but what is the voting result? :-). So far I count:40 votes for both at once (constructor and JDK5) 17 votes for split releases (16 plus me, I'm voting now. :-) ) Al --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems?Stop!Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing theweb.DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user-- -- karthik -- ---This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log filesfor problems?Stop!Download the new AJAX search engine that makessearching your log files as easy as surfing theweb.DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmdlnkkid3432bid#0486dat1642___ Wicket-user mailing listWicket-user@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user -- Living a wicket life...Martijn Dashorst - http://www.jroller.com/page/dashorstWicket 1.1.1 is out: http://wicket.sourceforge.net/wicket-1.1
Re: Results so far (was Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE)
and we could interpreted the results this way that there are still quite a number of persons that can't use 1.5 yet.So it is not a pure democratic vote but just the get a feeling how many people would be really set backed by directly 1.5I still believe that you can live without it, but you can't live with it if the jvm choice is not in youre hands.johanOn 2/22/06, Martijn Dashorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The vote isn't officially closed. We didn't set a time limit at beforehand. It is probably dead though :)In this case, the vote was NON-binding. That basically means that the core team can do whatever we want, ignoring everything and build Wicket 2 on dolphin (Java 7). Surpise! We haven't started discussing the benefits of either option, and I'm not starting to do so here. :-) That is for another thread.And AFAICR I haven't voted yet... and I'm still torn between the two choices. MartijnOn 2/22/06, karthik Guru [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is the voting officially closed ? :)and does that mean 'constructor and JDK5' will come packaged as one releasewicket 2.0?On 2/21/06, Al Maw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexandru Popescu wrote: I know that this might be early considering the lenght of the thread, but what is the voting result? :-). So far I count:40 votes for both at once (constructor and JDK5) 17 votes for split releases (16 plus me, I'm voting now. :-) ) Al --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems?Stop!Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing theweb.DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user -- -- karthik -- ---This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log filesfor problems?Stop!Download the new AJAX search engine that makessearching your log files as easy as surfing theweb.DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmdlnkkid3432bid#0486dat1642 ___ Wicket-user mailing listWicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user -- Living a wicket life...Martijn Dashorst - http://www.jroller.com/page/dashorstWicket 1.1.1 is out: http://wicket.sourceforge.net/wicket-1.1
Re: Results so far (was Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE)
and yeah more expected to come in :) On 2/22/06, karthik Guru [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok for the benefit of others, the summary of vote that actually matters - . Igor - 1 Johan - 2 Eelco - 1 So , 2 votes for both at once (constructor and JDK5) 1 vote for split releases -- -- karthik -- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid3432bid#0486dat1642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
Re: Results so far (was Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE)
I agree with Johan here. I want to start discussing it on the admin list shortly. But it looks like there are enough for 2 - not the majority, but enough - to make seperate releases. We should decide on whether 1.2. (we might call that version differently actually, but that's another question) or 1.3. is going to be our long running supported version. I think the latter, and 1.2. based on requests, but we have yet to discuss that. Btw Jonathan's vote was #2 - he sent me that offline. We'll give you an update later this week or this weekend. Thanks for voting all! Eelco On 2/22/06, karthik Guru [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and yeah more expected to come in :) On 2/22/06, karthik Guru [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok for the benefit of others, the summary of vote that actually matters - . Igor - 1 Johan - 2 Eelco - 1 So , 2 votes for both at once (constructor and JDK5) 1 vote for split releases -- -- karthik -- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmdlnkkid3432bid#0486dat1642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid3432bid#0486dat1642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
RE: Results so far (was Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE)
I may be offering an opinion on something already decided, but it seems to me that if we change the constructors in an earlier release, and then go to Java 1.5 on a subsequent release, if that makes maintenance of two versions easier (post-1.5 and pre-1.5) easier. Advantages: (1) Less future work for the developers means faster improvement to Wicket in the long run. (2) The applications produced by users who cannot upgrade to 1.5 yet will be easier to upgrade when they finally can do so -- the obsolete user code they're accumulating won't be quite so obsolete. (3) The inconvenience of upgrading user code in two phases (for those who have no impediments to using Java 1.5 now) is a transitory problem. Of course, one could make this argument about any code-breaking change to the API, delaying the upgrade to Java 1.5 indefinitely. But I'm assuming that the constructor changes are an unusually severe break in the API. /Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eelco Hillenius Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 10:15 AM To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: Results so far (was Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE) I agree with Johan here. I want to start discussing it on the admin list shortly. But it looks like there are enough for 2 - not the majority, but enough - to make seperate releases. We should decide on whether 1.2. (we might call that version differently actually, but that's another question) or 1.3. is going to be our long running supported version. I think the latter, and 1.2. based on requests, but we have yet to discuss that. Btw Jonathan's vote was #2 - he sent me that offline. We'll give you an update later this week or this weekend. Thanks for voting all! Eelco On 2/22/06, karthik Guru [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and yeah more expected to come in :) On 2/22/06, karthik Guru [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok for the benefit of others, the summary of vote that actually matters - . Igor - 1 Johan - 2 Eelco - 1 So , 2 votes for both at once (constructor and JDK5) 1 vote for split releases -- -- karthik -- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmdlnkkid3432bid#0486dat1642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=kkid3432bid#0486dat1642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid3432bid#0486dat1642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
Re: Results so far (was Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE)
assuming that the constructor changes are an unusually severe break in the API. It's a severe break indeed. BUT to the upside, with a very easy fix. It's just big because it'll break most of your code instead of just a few areas. Eelco --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid3432bid#0486dat1642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
Re: Results so far (was Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE)
an easy fix in /most/ cases. there will be situations that are harder to fix then others.-IgorOn 2/22/06, Eelco Hillenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: assuming that the constructor changes are an unusually severe break in the API.It's a severe break indeed. BUT to the upside, with a very easy fix.It's just big because it'll break most of your code instead of just afew areas.Eelco--- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log filesfor problems?Stop!Download the new AJAX search engine that makessearching your log files as easy as surfing theweb.DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmdlnkkid3432bid#0486dat1642___ Wicket-user mailing listWicket-user@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
Re: Results so far (was Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE)
Which ones? Do we have a list? Eelco On 2/22/06, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: an easy fix in /most/ cases. there will be situations that are harder to fix then others. -Igor On 2/22/06, Eelco Hillenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: assuming that the constructor changes are an unusually severe break in the API. It's a severe break indeed. BUT to the upside, with a very easy fix. It's just big because it'll break most of your code instead of just a few areas. Eelco --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmdlnkkid3432bid#0486dat1642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid3432bid#0486dat1642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
Re: Results so far (was Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE)
i havent thought about it /that/ much. but for example if you have a factory, the factory will need to be refactored.also situations where you are creating components but not yet adding them to the parent will have to be refactored to work differently. although i think this is an edge case. -IgorOn 2/22/06, Eelco Hillenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which ones? Do we have a list?EelcoOn 2/22/06, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: an easy fix in /most/ cases. there will be situations that are harder to fix then others. -Igor On 2/22/06, Eelco Hillenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:assuming that the constructor changes are an unusually severe break in the API. It's a severe break indeed. BUT to the upside, with a very easy fix. It's just big because it'll break most of your code instead of just a few areas. Eelco--- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems?Stop!Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing theweb.DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmdlnkkid3432bid#0486dat1642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log filesfor problems?Stop!Download the new AJAX search engine that makessearching your log files as easy as surfing theweb.DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmdlnkkid3432bid#0486dat1642___ Wicket-user mailing listWicket-user@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
Re: Results so far (was Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE)
It's not about not wanting to go for Java 1.5. But more a I can't or my company can't. I have no choice here. On 2/21/06, Christian Hvid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am one for a move to Java 5 as fast as possible. From my perspective Wicket is a young framework and if we are adventurously enough to choose Wicket, we are adventurously enough to be on Java 5. On 21 Feb 2006, at 00:27, Al Maw wrote: Alexandru Popescu wrote: I know that this might be early considering the lenght of the thread, but what is the voting result? :-). So far I count: 40 votes for both at once (constructor and JDK5) 17 votes for split releases (16 plus me, I'm voting now. :-) ) Al --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid3432bid#0486dat1642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
Re: Results so far (was Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE)
I am one for a move to Java 5 as fast as possible. From my perspective Wicket is a young framework and if we are adventurously enough to choose Wicket, we are adventurously enough to be on Java 5. On 21 Feb 2006, at 00:27, Al Maw wrote: Alexandru Popescu wrote: I know that this might be early considering the lenght of the thread, but what is the voting result? :-). So far I count: 40 votes for both at once (constructor and JDK5) 17 votes for split releases (16 plus me, I'm voting now. :-) ) Al --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
