Re: [Wien] Top surface layer seems to be isolated from the rest of the system

2021-06-25 Thread Lyudmila Dobysheva
25.06.2021 10:29, Dr. K. C. Bhamu wrote: I am trying to relax the WO3 surface structure (1x1x5 with 15 Ang vacuum). ... I see after relaxation, the top layer detached from the system (the W-O bond length increased from 1.9 to 2.3 Ang) Maybe just to discuss: imagine that such a structure has

Re: [Wien] Top surface layer seems to be isolated from the rest of the system

2021-06-25 Thread Laurence Marks
Agreed, although to make the bulk truncation valence neutral involves W 5+ which is unusual. As you say, the O "sticking out" is unreal, as it would be 1-. If it moves closer to the W below that becomes 7+ which is silly. The first thing to do is work out what the actual experimental conditions

Re: [Wien] Top surface layer seems to be isolated from the rest of the system

2021-06-25 Thread Peter Blaha
A W atom could have other formal valencies than 6+ and an electronic reconstruction is not impossible (remember the famous LAO/STO interface) Of course the surface depends a lot on the preparation conditions and on the vacuum / O partial pressure, H2O traces (or even "water") ... There could

Re: [Wien] Top surface layer seems to be isolated from the rest of the system

2021-06-25 Thread Dr. K. C. Bhamu
Thank you Prof. Peter for your good suggestion. I have tried with passivating the bottom oxygen atoms that I consider equal to removing those oxygen atoms. I tried with 6 layers as well. I don't think more than 6 layers will fix the problem. Thank you, Bhamu On Fri, Jun 25, 2021, 9:16 PM Peter

Re: [Wien] Top surface layer seems to be isolated from the rest of the system

2021-06-25 Thread Laurence Marks
N.B., b) Does not work without massive rearrangements. A dangling "O" on top is unchemical. There are many ways to construct wrong models! _ Professor Laurence Marks "Research is to see what everybody else has seen, and to think what nobody else has thought", Albert Szent-Györgyi

Re: [Wien] Top surface layer seems to be isolated from the rest of the system

2021-06-25 Thread Laurence Marks
Sorry Peter, that is also wrong. The valence of a WO2 layer is 2+ ; of the O layer 2-. A valence neutral surface comes from a) Adding OH above every W -- 1- b) Add 1/2 the O above, and letting the structure relax in a 2x1 cell (or larger) -- the last layer has a valence of 1- per 1x1 c) Adjusting

Re: [Wien] Top surface layer seems to be isolated from the rest of the system

2021-06-25 Thread Peter Blaha
Remove the O atoms, which are sticking out of the lower surface. This makes the system inversion symmetric and more realistic. Since you are now not stoichiometric anymore, eventually test with more than 5 layers . Am 25.06.2021 um 13:42 schrieb Dr. K. C. Bhamu: Dear Prof. L. Marks, Thanks

Re: [Wien] Top surface layer seems to be isolated from the rest of the system

2021-06-25 Thread Dr. K. C. Bhamu
Dear Prof. L. Marks, Thanks for your suggestions. Yes, WO3 is an insulator. I am facing the same issue for WC (SG: 187). I have worked on Ni(OH)2 and ZnO surfaces and I did not face any difficulties there. Ni(OH) surface is also polar. For the present case, I do not have much choice. I was

Re: [Wien] Top surface layer seems to be isolated from the rest of the system

2021-06-25 Thread Laurence Marks
N.B., your cell is polar, and you are not satisfying valence neutrality or Pauling's rules. It will never occur in reality, and any results you obtain with it will move science backwards. Read up on oxide surfaces, much is known. _ Professor Laurence Marks "Research is to see what everybody

Re: [Wien] Top surface layer seems to be isolated from the rest of the system

2021-06-25 Thread Laurence Marks
Did you check: a) The BVS, to ensure that you do not have a GIGO surface? b) Whether the system has a decent gap or not -- I believe WO3 should be an insulator. c) Whether you are satisfying valence neutrality at the surface. I expect you have a GIGO surface, 99.99% probability. You cannot just

[Wien] Top surface layer seems to be isolated from the rest of the system

2021-06-25 Thread Dr. K. C. Bhamu
Dear Wien2k Users, I am trying to relax the WO3 surface structure (1x1x5 with 15 Ang vacuum). The bulk structure crystallizes in 221 SG. Then I created the 1x1x5 layered structure and relaxed the top two layers with the bottom three layers kept fixed. I see after relaxation, the top layer