Re: [Wien] Hartree-Fock and the Hubbard Model

2016-11-22 Thread Gavin Abo 
Perhaps do a google search for correlated materials.  For example, maybe 
the following references are of interest:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strongly_correlated_material#Electronic_structures
https://arxiv.org/abs/1309.3355v1 (Section 1. LDA+U vs Hartree-Fock and 
Exact Exchange)
http://www.cond-mat.de/events/correl12/manuscripts/ (The LDA+U Approach: 
A Simple Hubbard Correction for Correlated Ground States)


On 11/22/2016 3:28 AM, Luis Ogando wrote:

   Thank you Pablo !
   I am looking for something introductory like wikipedia. Do you have 
some reference "in this direction" ?

   All the best,
  Luis



2016-11-21 15:25 GMT-02:00 delamora <delam...@unam.mx 
<mailto:delam...@unam.mx>>:


Luis, look for Hubbard Model

NaCl U2

  Pablo


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<mailto:wien-boun...@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at>> en nombre de
Luis Ogando <lcoda...@gmail.com <mailto:lcoda...@gmail.com>>
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*Para:* A Mailing list for WIEN2k users
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Dear Prof. Tran,

   I would like to read more about this subject, but,
unfortunately, your link gave me a message like : " Wikipedia does
not have an article with this exact name. "
   Please*,* could you suggest another non-specialist reference
like wikipedia ?
   Thank you,
   Luis

2016-11-20 13:28 GMT-02:00 <t...@theochem.tuwien.ac.at
<mailto:t...@theochem.tuwien.ac.at>>:

Hi,

DFT+U is a cheap but rather rough approximation of HF.
Beside this, there is also the difference that in DFT+U, the
Coulomb
operator is attenuated in order to account for the screening
due to
correlation. In HF, no correlation is included.
In hybrids, the screening is included by using only ~25% of HF
exchange
(and there is also correlation coming from a LDA/GGA
correlation term).

Hybrid, onsite-hybrid and DFT+U are more or less the same,
since all of them are one-electron methods and mix HF with
LDA/GGA.
As Karel said, they are better than LDA/GGA, but can not reproduce
the experimental observations that are beyond the one-electron
methods.
DMFT is better since it is a beyond one-electrons method.

Read that:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LDA+U
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LDA+U>

FT


On Wed, 16 Nov 2016, delamora wrote:


Dear Fabien Tran and Karel Vyborny,

Thanks for your comments.


What I want to know is if the Hartree Fock exchange is
what the Hubbard U is
trying to model

What I know is that for strong intraatomic repulsion, 3d
and 4f, the Hubbard
U gives good results, although the U is a parameter.

But for intermediate intraatomic repulsion, 4d, 5d, 5f
then more expensive
methods are needed, such as DMFT

So, if this is the case that the Hartree Fock exchange is
what the Hubbard U
is trying to model then the hybrid functionals would do a
better job.

So, my question is; What are the Hubbard U and DMFT trying
to model?


Cheers

  Pablo de la Mora

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Re: [Wien] Hartree-Fock and the Hubbard Model

2016-11-22 Thread Luis Ogando 
   Thank you Pablo !
   I am looking for something introductory like wikipedia. Do you have some
reference "in this direction" ?
   All the best,
  Luis



2016-11-21 15:25 GMT-02:00 delamora <delam...@unam.mx>:

> Luis, look for Hubbard Model
>
> NaCl U2
>
>   Pablo
> --
> *De:* Wien <wien-boun...@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at> en nombre de Luis
> Ogando <lcoda...@gmail.com>
> *Enviado:* lunes, 21 de noviembre de 2016 11:00:23 a. m.
> *Para:* A Mailing list for WIEN2k users
> *Asunto:* Re: [Wien] Hartree-Fock and the Hubbard Model
>
> Dear Prof. Tran,
>
>I would like to read more about this subject, but, unfortunately, your
> link gave me a message like : " Wikipedia does not have an article with
> this exact name. "
>Please*,* could you suggest another non-specialist reference like
> wikipedia ?
>Thank you,
>Luis
>
> 2016-11-20 13:28 GMT-02:00 <t...@theochem.tuwien.ac.at>:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> DFT+U is a cheap but rather rough approximation of HF.
>> Beside this, there is also the difference that in DFT+U, the Coulomb
>> operator is attenuated in order to account for the screening due to
>> correlation. In HF, no correlation is included.
>> In hybrids, the screening is included by using only ~25% of HF exchange
>> (and there is also correlation coming from a LDA/GGA correlation term).
>>
>> Hybrid, onsite-hybrid and DFT+U are more or less the same,
>> since all of them are one-electron methods and mix HF with LDA/GGA.
>> As Karel said, they are better than LDA/GGA, but can not reproduce
>> the experimental observations that are beyond the one-electron methods.
>> DMFT is better since it is a beyond one-electrons method.
>>
>> Read that:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LDA+U
>>
>> FT
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 16 Nov 2016, delamora wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Fabien Tran and Karel Vyborny,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your comments.
>>>
>>>
>>> What I want to know is if the Hartree Fock exchange is what the Hubbard
>>> U is
>>> trying to model
>>>
>>> What I know is that for strong intraatomic repulsion, 3d and 4f, the
>>> Hubbard
>>> U gives good results, although the U is a parameter.
>>>
>>> But for intermediate intraatomic repulsion, 4d, 5d, 5f then more
>>> expensive
>>> methods are needed, such as DMFT
>>>
>>> So, if this is the case that the Hartree Fock exchange is what the
>>> Hubbard U
>>> is trying to model then the hybrid functionals would do a better job.
>>>
>>> So, my question is; What are the Hubbard U and DMFT trying to model?
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>>   Pablo de la Mora
>>
>>
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Re: [Wien] Hartree-Fock and the Hubbard Model

2016-11-21 Thread Luis Ogando 
Dear Prof. Tran,

   I would like to read more about this subject, but, unfortunately, your
link gave me a message like : " Wikipedia does not have an article with
this exact name. "
   Please*,* could you suggest another non-specialist reference like
wikipedia ?
   Thank you,
   Luis

2016-11-20 13:28 GMT-02:00 :

> Hi,
>
> DFT+U is a cheap but rather rough approximation of HF.
> Beside this, there is also the difference that in DFT+U, the Coulomb
> operator is attenuated in order to account for the screening due to
> correlation. In HF, no correlation is included.
> In hybrids, the screening is included by using only ~25% of HF exchange
> (and there is also correlation coming from a LDA/GGA correlation term).
>
> Hybrid, onsite-hybrid and DFT+U are more or less the same,
> since all of them are one-electron methods and mix HF with LDA/GGA.
> As Karel said, they are better than LDA/GGA, but can not reproduce
> the experimental observations that are beyond the one-electron methods.
> DMFT is better since it is a beyond one-electrons method.
>
> Read that:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LDA+U
>
> FT
>
>
> On Wed, 16 Nov 2016, delamora wrote:
>>
>>
>> Dear Fabien Tran and Karel Vyborny,
>>
>> Thanks for your comments.
>>
>>
>> What I want to know is if the Hartree Fock exchange is what the Hubbard U
>> is
>> trying to model
>>
>> What I know is that for strong intraatomic repulsion, 3d and 4f, the
>> Hubbard
>> U gives good results, although the U is a parameter.
>>
>> But for intermediate intraatomic repulsion, 4d, 5d, 5f then more expensive
>> methods are needed, such as DMFT
>>
>> So, if this is the case that the Hartree Fock exchange is what the
>> Hubbard U
>> is trying to model then the hybrid functionals would do a better job.
>>
>> So, my question is; What are the Hubbard U and DMFT trying to model?
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>   Pablo de la Mora
>
>
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Re: [Wien] Hartree-Fock and the Hubbard Model

2016-11-20 Thread tran 

Hi,

DFT+U is a cheap but rather rough approximation of HF.
Beside this, there is also the difference that in DFT+U, the Coulomb
operator is attenuated in order to account for the screening due to
correlation. In HF, no correlation is included.
In hybrids, the screening is included by using only ~25% of HF exchange
(and there is also correlation coming from a LDA/GGA correlation term).

Hybrid, onsite-hybrid and DFT+U are more or less the same,
since all of them are one-electron methods and mix HF with LDA/GGA.
As Karel said, they are better than LDA/GGA, but can not reproduce
the experimental observations that are beyond the one-electron methods.
DMFT is better since it is a beyond one-electrons method.

Read that:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LDA+U

FT


On Wed, 16 Nov 2016, delamora wrote:


Dear Fabien Tran and Karel Vyborny,

Thanks for your comments.


What I want to know is if the Hartree Fock exchange is what the Hubbard U is
trying to model

What I know is that for strong intraatomic repulsion, 3d and 4f, the Hubbard
U gives good results, although the U is a parameter.

But for intermediate intraatomic repulsion, 4d, 5d, 5f then more expensive
methods are needed, such as DMFT

So, if this is the case that the Hartree Fock exchange is what the Hubbard U
is trying to model then the hybrid functionals would do a better job.

So, my question is; What are the Hubbard U and DMFT trying to model?


Cheers

  Pablo de la Mora___
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Re: [Wien] Hartree-Fock and the Hubbard Model

2016-11-20 Thread Karel Vyborny 

Dear Pablo,
experts in strongly correlated systems may correct me but my understanding 
is that Hubbard U is not a "model" of Hartree Fock exchange. HF is an 
approximative treatment of electron-electron interaction, a many body 
problem. Hubbard model (where U was originally introduced) tries to 
_model_ the same.


In other words, both Hubbard U and DMFT are attempts to capture the effect 
of electron correlations which are beyond HF.


Best regards,

Karel



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On Wed, 16 Nov 2016, delamora wrote:



Dear Fabien Tran and Karel Vyborny,

Thanks for your comments.


What I want to know is if the Hartree Fock exchange is what the Hubbard U is
trying to model

What I know is that for strong intraatomic repulsion, 3d and 4f, the Hubbard
U gives good results, although the U is a parameter.

But for intermediate intraatomic repulsion, 4d, 5d, 5f then more expensive
methods are needed, such as DMFT

So, if this is the case that the Hartree Fock exchange is what the Hubbard U
is trying to model then the hybrid functionals would do a better job.

So, my question is; What are the Hubbard U and DMFT trying to model?


Cheers

  Pablo de la Mora


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Dear F Tran,

Thank you for your suggestion.

I found another one

http://www.wien2k.at/events/ws2015/Tran-talk_xc.pdf

It could be interesting, ja, ja (spanish accent)

I have not read them yet


Saludos


  Pablo


De: Wien <wien-boun...@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at> en nombre de
t...@theochem.tuwien.ac.at <t...@theochem.tuwien.ac.at>
Enviado: martes, 25 de octubre de 2016 02:25:25 a. m.
Para: A Mailing list for WIEN2k users
Asunto: Re: [Wien] Hartree-Fock and the Hubbard Model  
Hi,

all these methods are somehow based on the Hartree-Fock method,
which is (partially) free of self-interaction error.
The SIE with LDA/GGA is particularly large for localized d or f
electrons, such that LDA/GGA don't work well with these systems.

The onsite LDA+U and onsite hybrid are by far much cheaper than
the full hybrids.

This is a good paper to read:
http://journals.aps.org/prb/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevB.79.035103

F. Tran

On Tuesday 2016-10-25 02:09, delamora wrote:

>Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 02:09:24
>From: delamora <delam...@unam.mx>
>Reply-To: A Mailing list for WIEN2k users <wien@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at>
>To: A Mailing list for WIEN2k users <wien@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at>
>Subject: [Wien] Hartree-Fock and the Hubbard Model
>
>
>Dear WIEN2k community,
>
>From what I understand the Hubbard Model is to calculate the electronic
>repulsion inside the orbitals, specially in the 3d and 4f.
>
>Is it an approximation for the Hartree Fock exchange?
>
>If this is the case then it can be better calculated exact-exchange
>functionals (1, 2)
>
>1) 4.5.7 Onsite-exact-exchange and hybrid functionals for correlated
>electrons
>
>2) 4.5.8 Unscreened and screened hybrid functionals
>
>Cheers
>
>  Pablo de la Mora
>
>
>

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Re: [Wien] Hartree-Fock and the Hubbard Model

2016-11-16 Thread delamora 
Dear Fabien Tran and Karel Vyborny,

Thanks for your comments.


What I want to know is if the Hartree Fock exchange is what the Hubbard U is 
trying to model

What I know is that for strong intraatomic repulsion, 3d and 4f, the Hubbard U 
gives good results, although the U is a parameter.

But for intermediate intraatomic repulsion, 4d, 5d, 5f then more expensive 
methods are needed, such as DMFT

So, if this is the case that the Hartree Fock exchange is what the Hubbard U is 
trying to model then the hybrid functionals would do a better job.

So, my question is; What are the Hubbard U and DMFT trying to model?

Cheers

  Pablo de la Mora



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Dear F Tran,

Thank you for your suggestion.

I found another one

http://www.wien2k.at/events/ws2015/Tran-talk_xc.pdf

It could be interesting, ja, ja (spanish accent)

I have not read them yet


Saludos


  Pablo


De: Wien <wien-boun...@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at> en nombre de 
t...@theochem.tuwien.ac.at <t...@theochem.tuwien.ac.at>
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Hi,

all these methods are somehow based on the Hartree-Fock method,
which is (partially) free of self-interaction error.
The SIE with LDA/GGA is particularly large for localized d or f
electrons, such that LDA/GGA don't work well with these systems.

The onsite LDA+U and onsite hybrid are by far much cheaper than
the full hybrids.

This is a good paper to read:
http://journals.aps.org/prb/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevB.79.035103

F. Tran

On Tuesday 2016-10-25 02:09, delamora wrote:

>Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 02:09:24
>From: delamora <delam...@unam.mx>
>Reply-To: A Mailing list for WIEN2k users <wien@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at>
>To: A Mailing list for WIEN2k users <wien@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at>
>Subject: [Wien] Hartree-Fock and the Hubbard Model
>
>
>Dear WIEN2k community,
>
>From what I understand the Hubbard Model is to calculate the electronic
>repulsion inside the orbitals, specially in the 3d and 4f.
>
>Is it an approximation for the Hartree Fock exchange?
>
>If this is the case then it can be better calculated exact-exchange
>functionals (1, 2)
>
>1) 4.5.7 Onsite-exact-exchange and hybrid functionals for correlated
>electrons
>
>2) 4.5.8 Unscreened and screened hybrid functionals
>
>Cheers
>
>  Pablo de la Mora
>
>
>
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Re: [Wien] Hartree-Fock and the Hubbard Model

2016-10-25 Thread delamora 
Dear F Tran,

Thank you for your suggestion.

I found another one

http://www.wien2k.at/events/ws2015/Tran-talk_xc.pdf

It could be interesting, ja, ja (spanish accent)

I have not read them yet


Saludos


  Pablo


De: Wien <wien-boun...@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at> en nombre de 
t...@theochem.tuwien.ac.at <t...@theochem.tuwien.ac.at>
Enviado: martes, 25 de octubre de 2016 02:25:25 a. m.
Para: A Mailing list for WIEN2k users
Asunto: Re: [Wien] Hartree-Fock and the Hubbard Model

Hi,

all these methods are somehow based on the Hartree-Fock method,
which is (partially) free of self-interaction error.
The SIE with LDA/GGA is particularly large for localized d or f
electrons, such that LDA/GGA don't work well with these systems.

The onsite LDA+U and onsite hybrid are by far much cheaper than
the full hybrids.

This is a good paper to read:
http://journals.aps.org/prb/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevB.79.035103

F. Tran

On Tuesday 2016-10-25 02:09, delamora wrote:

>Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 02:09:24
>From: delamora <delam...@unam.mx>
>Reply-To: A Mailing list for WIEN2k users <wien@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at>
>To: A Mailing list for WIEN2k users <wien@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at>
>Subject: [Wien] Hartree-Fock and the Hubbard Model
>
>
>Dear WIEN2k community,
>
>From what I understand the Hubbard Model is to calculate the electronic
>repulsion inside the orbitals, specially in the 3d and 4f.
>
>Is it an approximation for the Hartree Fock exchange?
>
>If this is the case then it can be better calculated exact-exchange
>functionals (1, 2)
>
>1) 4.5.7 Onsite-exact-exchange and hybrid functionals for correlated
>electrons
>
>2) 4.5.8 Unscreened and screened hybrid functionals
>
>Cheers
>
>  Pablo de la Mora
>
>
>
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Re: [Wien] Hartree-Fock and the Hubbard Model

2016-10-25 Thread tran 

Hi,

all these methods are somehow based on the Hartree-Fock method,
which is (partially) free of self-interaction error.
The SIE with LDA/GGA is particularly large for localized d or f
electrons, such that LDA/GGA don't work well with these systems.

The onsite LDA+U and onsite hybrid are by far much cheaper than
the full hybrids.

This is a good paper to read:
http://journals.aps.org/prb/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevB.79.035103

F. Tran

On Tuesday 2016-10-25 02:09, delamora wrote:


Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 02:09:24
From: delamora 
Reply-To: A Mailing list for WIEN2k users 
To: A Mailing list for WIEN2k users 
Subject: [Wien] Hartree-Fock and the Hubbard Model


Dear WIEN2k community,

From what I understand the Hubbard Model is to calculate the electronic
repulsion inside the orbitals, specially in the 3d and 4f.

Is it an approximation for the Hartree Fock exchange?

If this is the case then it can be better calculated exact-exchange
functionals (1, 2)

1) 4.5.7 Onsite-exact-exchange and hybrid functionals for correlated
electrons

2) 4.5.8 Unscreened and screened hybrid functionals

Cheers

  Pablo de la Mora


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Re: [Wien] Hartree-Fock and the Hubbard Model

2016-10-25 Thread Alessandro Fortunelli 


no it's Coulomb repulsion (diagonal)

Al


delamora  ha scritto:


Dear WIEN2k community,

From what I understand the Hubbard Model is to calculate the  
electronic repulsion inside the orbitals, specially in the 3d and 4f.


Is it an approximation for the Hartree Fock exchange?

If this is the case then it can be better calculated exact-exchange  
functionals (1, 2)


1) 4.5.7 Onsite-exact-exchange and hybrid functionals for correlated  
electrons


2) 4.5.8 Unscreened and screened hybrid functionals

Cheers

  Pablo de la Mora





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