Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community policing, New Page Patrol, Articles for Creation, and editor retention

Yes I agree in ;large part with what you say, however it is only possible to welcome newbies into existing projects. Obviously we cannot welcome newbies into projects that don't exist yet. Whether or not the subject of interest could possibly be considered a conflict of interest is irrelevant. If

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community policing, New Page Patrol, Articles for Creation, and editor retention

I've been thinking about what David said. It seems to me that there's a vicious cycle of too few contributors --> languishing wikiprojects --> low stickiness for potential contributors who would otherwise be attracted to those wikiprojects. So how do we get out of it? Any suggestions? I'm

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community policing, New Page Patrol, Articles for Creation, and editor retention

I like the idea of those reports. Pinging James Hare to ask if those tools could be included in future WikiProject X! activities. Pine On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 3:38 PM, WereSpielChequers < werespielchequ...@gmail.com> wrote: > That's one possibility. But if we have declining wikiprojects in a >

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community policing, New Page Patrol, Articles for Creation, and editor retention

That's one possibility. But if we have declining wikiprojects in a negative feedback loop at the same time as an overall stable or slowly growing community, then either the active wikiprojects are better able to retain existing editors and also convert more casual editors into regulars or there is

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community policing, New Page Patrol, Articles for Creation, and editor retention

t: Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community policing, New Page Patrol, Articles for Creation, and editor retention I like the idea of those reports. Pinging James Hare to ask if those tools could be included in future WikiProject X! activities. Pine On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 3:38 PM, WereS

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community policing, New Page Patrol, Articles for Creation, and editor retention

I have proposed an open space session; I can also do a lightening talk. as a complement that might lead up to it. On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 7:26 PM, Pine W wrote: > Sorry, my brain made a mashup of 2 trains of thought. At the *Wikipedia > 15* sessions on January 16th? > >

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community policing, New Page Patrol, Articles for Creation, and editor retention

Hi Pine, I definitely think that there is enough data to start a project or workspace dedicated to creating tools that will deliver the data in ways that can support decision-making. Given 10 newbie good-faith editors, what are their types of interests and reasons for staying or leaving? Similar

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community policing, New Page Patrol, Articles for Creation, and editor retention

Pine, I don't know if Jane answered this -- but I think that would be a great idea. There's been a little research work in improving newbie interactions (and NPP/AFC/etc) but there needs to be a lot more. -Jodi On Sat, Dec 26, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Pine W wrote: > Jane, what

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community policing, New Page Patrol, Articles for Creation, and editor retention

Jane, what would you think about the concept of an IEG research project (or, due to the grantmaking restructure, a "project grant" research project) about gathering some of the data that you suggest and developing recommendations, tools, or systems designed to improve the situations with NPP, AFC,

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community policing, New Page Patrol, Articles for Creation, and editor retention

Hi Pine, Thanks for your thoughtful answer! No, let's not throw any money at this problem yet, but let's consider first all of our options. We should have a pretty big amount of data available in AfC backlogs and deletions. Maybe we can direct some trusted researchers there. I guess they would

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community policing, New Page Patrol, Articles for Creation, and editor retention

Hi Jane, Regarding "Are there any numbers available on how many AfC's resulted in articles vs. submissions and then also the same numbers for non-AfC page creations vs. speedy deletions?", I'm sure that data is available but I suspect that getting WMF to take another round of analyzing and trying

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community policing, New Page Patrol, Articles for Creation, and editor retention

We can probably talk about the nature of new page patrol without resorting to comparisons to violent, real-world overreactions with multiple serious injuries. To be perfectly honest as a new page patroller the biggest issue I've seen is toxic senior members of the community making the prospect of

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community policing, New Page Patrol, Articles for Creation, and editor retention

Well, we don't really have a judicial approach either; judges get booted when they're biased or refusing to apply the law ;). I would agree that it is a small circle of people, and I would agree that they have a far larger impact than numbers would suggest. Community Advocacy is currently running

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community policing, New Page Patrol, Articles for Creation, and editor retention

The problems that I'm contemplating here are, for better and for worse, outside the scope of what I would consider harassment. I think that they could be described as toxic interactions in general, and/or a shortage of or long-delayed *positive* interactions at places like NPP and AFC. Pine On

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community policing, New Page Patrol, Articles for Creation, and editor retention

Returning to the subject of AFC, here's some food for thought from the October Research newsletter : "*User interaction with community processes in online communities"* From the abstract: "We find that articles that are deleted

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community policing, New Page Patrol, Articles for Creation, and editor retention

December 2015 10:11 AM > To: Research into Wikimedia content and communities > <wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community policing, New Page Patrol, Articles > for Creation, and editor retention > > > > The problems that I'm contempla

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community policing, New Page Patrol, Articles for Creation, and editor retention

h-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community policing, New Page Patrol, Articles for Creation, and editor retention The problems that I'm contemplating here are, for better and for worse, outside the scope of what I would consider harassment. I think that they could be described as