[Bug 48290] ↵ is shown when wikicode contains single newline, which is not very WYSIWYG

2013-06-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48290

Helder mybugs.m...@gmail.com changed:

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--- Comment #4 from Helder mybugs.m...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to comment #2)
 Newline characters are more debatable, because some people use them to make
 wikicode more readable.

...and I remmember some people use them to make diffs more readable[citation
needed].

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[Bug 48290] ↵ is shown when wikicode contains single newline, which is not very WYSIWYG

2013-05-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48290

--- Comment #2 from Nicolas Raoul nicolas.ra...@gmail.com ---
Same for TAB characters, which are shown as ➞

TAB characters have no meaning in wikicode, and I can't imagine anyone entering
them for any purpose (plus they are difficult to enter in an HTML form).
I have never seen a case where they are intended (please point me to any
example if I am mistaken).

I personally think TABs are a case where silent stripping would be acceptable.

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Newline characters are more debatable, because some people use them to make
wikicode more readable.

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[Bug 48290] ↵ is shown when wikicode contains single newline, which is not very WYSIWYG

2013-05-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #3 from Nicolas Raoul nicolas.ra...@gmail.com ---
Example of TAB characters:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refrigerator#Production_by_country

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[Bug 48290] ↵ is shown when wikicode contains single newline, which is not very WYSIWYG

2013-05-09 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48290

--- Comment #1 from James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org ---
(In reply to comment #0)
 Single newlines have no effect on the way a wiki page is displayed.
 So they should be ignored in a WYSIWYG editor.
 
 Example: Third line at
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
 Content_Management_Interoperability_Services#Specification_progress_.
 26_TC_members

Yeah, this is a bit of a mess. In wikitext (except in some circumstances like
pres), \n is a whitespace character, rendered as either a space or as nothing
depending on the things around it, but \n\n is /pp.

We could:

* Silently strip non-conformant wikitext syntax like this on ingest, but this
would mean that VisualEditor would not play well with other, wikitext-based
users.

* Show the newline as a line break in VisualEditor - in a way that (a) doesn't
look like a new paragraph/context has started, and (b) doesn't look like br
/s will look, either, and in some way conveys the fact that it's different.

* (Current behaviour) Show the newline as a special kind of character in
VisualEditor - in a way that (a) doesn't look like a 'real' new line, because
it isn't.

* Silently not show the new line as such (but instead as… a space?), which is
prone to having users accidentally alter them without intention, again causing
problems for intermixed VisualEditor and wikitext editor sessions.

What are your thoughts?

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[Bug 48290] ↵ is shown when wikicode contains single newline, which is not very WYSIWYG

2013-05-09 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48290

James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Priority|Unprioritized   |Normal
 Status|UNCONFIRMED |ASSIGNED
  Component|ContentEditable |General
   Assignee|i...@wikia-inc.com  |jforres...@wikimedia.org
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

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