[Bug 28519] idea: use the Interlanguage extension as a universal redirect center
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28519 Nemo_bis federicol...@tiscali.it changed: What|Removed |Added CC||federicol...@tiscali.it --- Comment #7 from Nemo_bis federicol...@tiscali.it 2012-08-26 21:43:41 UTC --- Doesn't shorturl extension already fix this issue? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 28519] idea: use the Interlanguage extension as a universal redirect center
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28519 Sumana Harihareswara suma...@panix.com changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords||i18n CC||suma...@panix.com -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 28519] idea: use the Interlanguage extension as a universal redirect center
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28519 --- Comment #2 from Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il 2011-04-13 06:02:54 UTC --- (In reply to comment #1) To ask the stupid question, why not send http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/باراك_أوباما in an email. 99% of modern programs will convert that to the correct percent encoding. It will correct it to the right percent encoding, but it will be very long. Just look at my first comment. And that's a relatively short name; it could be much longer, for example, like http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A3%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%B1%D8%A9_%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%AC%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%AA_%D9%83%D9%88%D9%86%D8%AA%D9%8A%D8%B3%D8%A9_%D8%B3%D9%86%D9%88%D8%AF%D9%88%D9%86 . It usually goes through, but it's terribly ugly. And in an IM program, like, GMail chat, sending such a link fills the whole screen with percent signs and digits. This personally seems kind of icky to me. If we did have the ability to resolve interlanguage names like this, and wanted to do something like this, why wouldn't we just make http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/magic name in some other lang automatically redirect to the correct page? Also possible. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 28519] idea: use the Interlanguage extension as a universal redirect center
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28519 --- Comment #3 from Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs 2011-04-13 07:08:43 UTC --- If I understand what you want correctly, you would like all wikis to have links in Latin alphabet, not necessarily short, but still shorter than the current ones. It is possible (srwiki already partly works that way and it could be improved), but I don't think that the Interlanguage Extension could help. For starters, there are no guarantees that Barack Obama on mul would always continue to point to باراك_أوباما on ar. Then, this may work for names, but articles about animals, or scientific terms, or whatever is not similar in most languages will be very dissimilar in English and the target language, thus negating the point of the Latin link. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 28519] idea: use the Interlanguage extension as a universal redirect center
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28519 --- Comment #4 from Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il 2011-04-13 07:19:45 UTC --- The goal is not so much to make the URL short as to make it readable, assuming that anyone that is able to read the string wikipedia.org is able to read the string Barack_Obama. A lot of people are able to read both Barack_Obama and باراك_أوباما; some people are able to read only one of these strings; but i'm quite sure that %D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%83_%D8%A3%D9%88%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%A7 is equally gibberish to everyone. It doesn't matter what the article is about and what the final name in the target language is. An Interlanguage wiki page is supposed to be a hub that points to the different names of the same thing in different languages, whether it's people, building materials, animals or towns. The name in the target language may change, but then the Interlanguage wiki will probably be updated. What i suggest is that the Interlanguage extension will simply redirect the reader to the article that is currently listed at the same page as the target article in the requested language. If there's no article about this in that language yet, then the extension can offer the reader to create an article in his language. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 28519] idea: use the Interlanguage extension as a universal redirect center
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28519 Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||krinklem...@gmail.com --- Comment #5 from Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com 2011-04-13 14:55:16 UTC --- (In reply to comment #2) (In reply to comment #1) To ask the stupid question, why not send http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/باراك_أوباما in an email. 99% of modern programs will convert that to the correct percent encoding. It will correct it to the right percent encoding, but it will be very long. Just look at my first comment. And that's a relatively short name; it could be much longer, for example, like http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A3%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%B1%D8%A9_%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%AC%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%AA_%D9%83%D9%88%D9%86%D8%AA%D9%8A%D8%B3%D8%A9_%D8%B3%D9%86%D9%88%D8%AF%D9%88%D9%86 . It usually goes through, but it's terribly ugly. And in an IM program, like, GMail chat, sending such a link fills the whole screen with percent signs and digits. I'm not sure this is correct. All of these can redirect to the ugly encoded version (depending on your browser) [1]: * http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/باراك_أوباما * http://mul.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama:ar * http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama So the ugly-ness factor of native-title urls seems irrelevant. The point is the url that you're sharing communication to others, which neither the second or third one is what will be in your browser addressbar. -- Krinkle [1]: For the record, accessing http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/باراك_أوباما (not a redirect) in Safari 5 or Firefox 4 does *not* redirect to a url encoded version, neither does MediaWiki link to urlencoded versions from inline links. So I could copy/paste http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/باراك_أوباما right from the browser to here. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 28519] idea: use the Interlanguage extension as a universal redirect center
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28519 --- Comment #6 from Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il 2011-04-13 21:10:30 UTC --- (In reply to comment #5) (In reply to comment #2) * http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/باراك_أوباما * http://mul.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama:ar * http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama So the ugly-ness factor of native-title urls seems irrelevant. The point is the url that you're sharing communication to others, which neither the second or third one is what will be in your browser addressbar. The link to http://mul.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama:ar can appear somewhere on the page. http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%83_%D8%A3%D9%88%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%A7 [1]: For the record, accessing http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/باراك_أوباما (not a redirect) in Safari 5 or Firefox 4 does *not* redirect to a url encoded version, neither does MediaWiki link to urlencoded versions from inline links. So I could copy/paste http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/باراك_أوباما right from the browser to here. Firefox 4 on XP shows it nicely in the address bar, but URD-encodes it when it's copied and pasted... -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 28519] idea: use the Interlanguage extension as a universal redirect center
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28519 Bawolff bawolff...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||bawolff...@gmail.com --- Comment #1 from Bawolff bawolff...@gmail.com 2011-04-13 03:53:13 UTC --- To ask the stupid question, why not send http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/باراك_أوباما in an email. 99% of modern programs will convert that to the correct percent encoding. This personally seems kind of icky to me. If we did have the ability to resolve interlanguage names like this, and wanted to do something like this, why wouldn't we just make http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/magic name in some other lang automatically redirect to the correct page? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
