[Bug 46640] Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP)

2014-09-19 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46640

--- Comment #26 from Tony Thomas 01tonytho...@gmail.com ---
Updates:
*) http://deployment.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:EmailUser sending
VERPed emails after https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/141287/. 
*) Bouncehandler router and transport added to beta/prod to handle incoming
bounces, after patch https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/155753/. The new router
fetches and routes all VERP bounces via 2 steps of checks ( a regex for the
VERP pattern, and a check on the domain ), and POST to the 'bouncehandler' API
in beta. 
*) Currently, the configuration is suspended in prod, as we need to test
at-least for 2 weeks watching table 'bounce_records' in beta, where the
extension is installed, and bounces are handled properly. We plan to take it to
loginwiki in the next level - as deploying into prod.

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[Bug 46640] Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP)

2014-08-15 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46640

Kunal Mehta (Legoktm) legoktm.wikipe...@gmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

  Component|Email   |Extensions requests
Version|1.22.0  |unspecified
Product|MediaWiki   |MediaWiki extensions

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[Bug 46640] Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP)

2014-08-01 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46640

Kunal Mehta (Legoktm) legoktm.wikipe...@gmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Depends on||69019

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[Bug 46640] Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP)

2014-08-01 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46640

Kunal Mehta (Legoktm) legoktm.wikipe...@gmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Depends on|63483   |

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[Bug 46640] Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP)

2014-07-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46640

--- Comment #24 from Gerrit Notification Bot gerritad...@wikimedia.org ---
Change 138655 merged by jenkins-bot:
Added VERP functionality hook to core

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/138655

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[Bug 46640] Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP)

2014-07-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46640

Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|PATCH_TO_REVIEW |NEW

--- Comment #25 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it ---
No more open patches associated to this bug; resetting status.

It seems that most of the work has moved to the BounceHandler extension:
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/project:mediawiki/extensions/BounceHandler+-owner:l10n,n,z
If that's where you now want to get this done, please move this to MediaWiki
extensions product. Otherwise, split from this report to a new bug what's not
going to happen in core.

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[Bug 46640] Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP)

2014-06-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46640

--- Comment #23 from Gerrit Notification Bot gerritad...@wikimedia.org ---
Change 138655 had a related patch set uploaded by 01tonythomas:
Added VERP functionality hook to core

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/138655

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[Bug 46640] Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP)

2014-06-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46640

--- Comment #22 from Gerrit Notification Bot gerritad...@wikimedia.org ---
Change 138655 had a related patch set uploaded by 01tonythomas:
Implementing VERP functionality to alter Return Path

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/138655

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[Bug 46640] Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP)

2014-06-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46640

Gerrit Notification Bot gerritad...@wikimedia.org changed:

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 Status|NEW |PATCH_TO_REVIEW

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[Bug 46640] Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP)

2014-06-10 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Tony Thomas 01tonytho...@gmail.com changed:

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[Bug 46640] Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP)

2014-04-03 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Tony Thomas 01tonytho...@gmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Depends on||63483

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[Bug 46640] Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP)

2014-03-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46640

Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org changed:

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--- Comment #21 from Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org ---
Labs project mediawiki-verp was created.

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[Bug 46640] Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP)

2014-03-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46640

Tony Thomas 01tonytho...@gmail.com changed:

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   See Also||https://bugzilla.wikimedia.
   ||org/show_bug.cgi?id=62838

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[Bug 46640] Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP)

2014-03-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46640

--- Comment #20 from Tony Thomas 01tonytho...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to Quim Gil from comment #19)
 Tony, your proposal is still missing in Google Melange. Please submit it
 there as a draft linking to your wiki page. 
Done. Public link:
http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/public/google/gsoc2014/tonythomas01/5629499534213120

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[Bug 46640] Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP)

2014-03-13 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46640

--- Comment #19 from Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org ---
Tony, your proposal is still missing in Google Melange. Please submit it there
as a draft linking to your wiki page. In any case, we will evaluate your
proposal in mediawiki.org. Thank you!

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[Bug 46640] Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP)

2014-03-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46640

--- Comment #18 from Jeff Green jgr...@wikimedia.org ---
A discussion started regarding VERP scheme in an email thread, seems to make
sense to move that discussion to here. So here the gist of the discussion so
far.

Given a VERP address generally looks something like this:

bounce-{$key}@wikimedia.org

The prefix /^bounce-/ is used by the incoming MTA as a hook to route messages
to the bounce processor, and $key is used by the bounce processor to figure out
which wiki user is having delivery issues. 

We need to prevent an attacker from spoofing bounce messages and causing mass
unsubscribes. We can accomplish by making $key secret, and not a simple hash
that can be reversed or guessed. 

something like an HMAC, with a secret key

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[Bug 46640] Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP)

2014-02-27 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46640

--- Comment #17 from Tony Thomas 01tonytho...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to Daniel Zahn from comment #16)
Thanks Daniel, MZMcBride. I will talk with Jeff on getting the proposal
forward. Since its the time Wikimedia is migrating the mail server to new Data
center, it would be the right time to get VERP implemented.

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[Bug 46640] Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP)

2014-02-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46640

Daniel Zahn dz...@wikimedia.org changed:

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--- Comment #15 from Daniel Zahn dz...@wikimedia.org ---
also see https://rt.wikimedia.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=6933  and Jeff Green
volunteered to work with Tony on the ops part of this

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[Bug 46640] Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP)

2014-02-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46640

--- Comment #16 from Daniel Zahn dz...@wikimedia.org ---
MZMcBride: talked to Tony, reset RT pass for him, made sure he can read his own
ticket and login, added Bugzilla ticket link, added Jeff Green, added Quim Gil,
commented on BZ, hope that helped:)

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[Bug 46640] Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP)

2014-02-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46640

--- Comment #14 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it ---
(In reply to Tony Thomas from comment #13)
 Thanks Quim, Legoktm have told me he is ready to mentor me in the
 development part and last day Faidon agreed to help me with the Sys-Ops
 part. That would mean green to forward right ?

Just update the possible projects page (if you want; it's not mandatory) and
submit your application when it's time. As of now WMF is not even officially
part of GSoC yet, as far as I remember, but you'll have your official answers
in due time.

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[Bug 46640] Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP)

2014-02-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46640

--- Comment #12 from Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org ---
Please let's focus in what matters here and now:

(In reply to Tony Thomas from comment #9)
 I have gone through the comments and understood that the mailserver needs to
 implement VERP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable_envelope_return_path). 
 
 I would like to work on this feature as a GSoC project, if Nemo, Chris,
 Faidon or anyone is ready to mentor me. 
 
 I have fixed a few bugs
 (https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-core/commits?author=tonythomas01),
 for MW core and am willing to dedicate my time to get this done.

Thank you Tony for your interest in fixing this problem. Tony needs two
mentors, one familiar with development and one familiar with ops. Terry,
Faidon, if you want this becoming a GSoC project proposal, could you please
find the right names in your teams? When it comes to outreach programs, it is
now or in 6 months (soonest). Thank you.

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[Bug 46640] Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP)

2014-02-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46640

--- Comment #13 from Tony Thomas 01tonytho...@gmail.com ---
Thanks Quim, Legoktm have told me he is ready to mentor me in the development
part and last day Faidon agreed to help me with the Sys-Ops part. That would
mean green to forward right ?

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[Bug 46640] Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP)

2014-02-20 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46640

MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com changed:

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 CC||b...@mzmcbride.com

--- Comment #11 from MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com ---
(In reply to Terry Chay from comment #7)
 Considering it's been almost a year since we've worked on it, I'm okay with
 this waiting until a summer GSoC.

You're okay with this waiting? Literally nobody was awaiting your approval.
As I understand it, your only involvement with this issue is having hired the
guy who filed this bug report (and who rather quickly thereafter left the
Wikimedia Foundation...).

Good grief.

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[Bug 46640] Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP)

2014-02-19 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46640

--- Comment #9 from Tony Thomas 01tonytho...@gmail.com ---
I have gone through the comments and understood that the mailserver needs to
implement VERP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable_envelope_return_path). 

I would like to work on this feature as a GSoC project, if Nemo, Chris, Faidon
or anyone is ready to mentor me. 

I have fixed a few bugs
(https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-core/commits?author=tonythomas01), for
MW core and am willing to dedicate my time to get this done.

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[Bug 46640] Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP)

2014-02-19 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46640

--- Comment #10 from Chris Steipp cste...@wikimedia.org ---
(In reply to Faidon Liambotis from comment #5)
 The way to avoid fake bounces DoSing a user would be to use a
 bounce-hash@wikimedia.org return path address with hash either being a
 random, stored token or one that is the output of a symmetrical encryption
 function, encrypt(email, secret). I'm sure Chris Steipp will have multiple
 good ideas about that :)

You would need a random IV, nonce/timestamp (prevent replay), and some sort of
checksum (prevent tampering), but yeah, it's doable.


(In reply to Nemo from comment #6)
 Sounds like an endorsement/proposal for Chris to be a (co-)mentor? ;-)
 Chris, are you interested in soliciting students work in this area? If yes,
 who could be interested mentoring?

Sadly, I probably don't have time to co-mentor this year. I'm fine advising of
the design for security, but I've got too many things going on right now.

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[Bug 46640] Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP)

2014-02-18 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #7 from Terry Chay tc...@wikimedia.org ---
Considering it's been almost a year since we've worked on it, I'm okay with
this waiting until a summer GSoC. VERP is one of those reasonable but weird
co-ordination issues that falls between the cracks in our organizational
structure here.

Should we mention this to Quim and co?

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[Bug 46640] Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP)

2014-02-18 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46640

--- Comment #8 from Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org ---
If this project requires coding and has mentors, and you want to see it moving
forward with a GSoC student, then the time to push for a GSoC proposal is now.
Please create an own section for this proposal at 

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Possible_projects#Featured_project_ideas

Thank you!

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[Bug 46640] Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP)

2014-02-17 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Faidon Liambotis fai...@wikimedia.org changed:

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--- Comment #5 from Faidon Liambotis fai...@wikimedia.org ---
So, this bug report was filed right after a conversation about Echo (RT
#4785) in which I was the one to propose VERP, so we've actually ran a full
circle now :)

Yes, we need to do VERP and we'll make that happen. We're not ready yet for
making that change (= making API calls from the mailservers) as the mail
infrastructure is about to be rebuilt, but I think catching up again in, say,
1-2 months time would be the right time for this.

From the mailserver side, we can run a script (preferrably one that doesn't
need a full MediaWiki install on the system ;)) when emails to bounce-XXX
addresses arrive.

The way to avoid fake bounces DoSing a user would be to use a
bounce-hash@wikimedia.org return path address with hash either being a
random, stored token or one that is the output of a symmetrical encryption
function, encrypt(email, secret). I'm sure Chris Steipp will have multiple good
ideas about that :)

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[Bug 46640] Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP)

2014-02-17 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it changed:

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--- Comment #6 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it ---
(In reply to Faidon Liambotis from comment #5)
 So, this bug report was filed right after a conversation about Echo (RT
 #4785) in which I was the one to propose VERP, so we've actually ran a full
 circle now :)

Hah! Good thing it was still on someone's radar then. Thanks for the reply.

 
 Yes, we need to do VERP and we'll make that happen. We're not ready yet for
 making that change (= making API calls from the mailservers) as the mail
 infrastructure is about to be rebuilt, but I think catching up again in,
 say, 1-2 months time would be the right time for this.

1-2 months from now would be great for GSoC (it's the deadline for students
applications) if someone thinks this suits a GSoC work and unless you want this
bug to be fixed *before* the summer by ops/platform.

 
 From the mailserver side, we can run a script (preferrably one that doesn't
 need a full MediaWiki install on the system ;)) when emails to bounce-XXX
 addresses arrive.
 
 The way to avoid fake bounces DoSing a user would be to use a
 bounce-hash@wikimedia.org return path address with hash either being a
 random, stored token or one that is the output of a symmetrical encryption
 function, encrypt(email, secret). I'm sure Chris Steipp will have multiple
 good ideas about that :)

Sounds like an endorsement/proposal for Chris to be a (co-)mentor? ;-) Chris,
are you interested in soliciting students work in this area? If yes, who could
be interested mentoring?

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[Bug 46640] Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP)

2014-02-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it changed:

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   Assignee|lwell...@wikimedia.org  |wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.
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--- Comment #3 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it ---
(In reply to comment #2)
 Luke, thanks for filing this (see also Brion's bug 12767 comment 2).
 The issue makes the successful delivery rate of MediaWiki emails lower due to
 spam countermeasures and may block bug 56414, so I think it should be
 considered high priority now that we're sending more notifications compared
 to
 a few years ago.

Brion, do you think this bug could become a GSoC project? Who could mentor it?

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[Bug 46640] Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP)

2014-02-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #4 from Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org ---
Could be feasible, might want to check in with ops first -- I don't know what
it would take to plug into the mail system and properly process bounces.
(There's also the danger of fake bounces being used to disable someone's
account, so that'll be fun to figure out. :D)

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[Bug 46640] Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP)

2013-11-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46640

Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it changed:

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   ||org/show_bug.cgi?id=12767
 Blocks||56414

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[Bug 46640] Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP)

2013-11-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it changed:

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[Bug 46640] Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP)

2013-11-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it changed:

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   Priority|Low |High

--- Comment #2 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it ---
Luke, thanks for filing this (see also Brion's bug 12767 comment 2).
The issue makes the successful delivery rate of MediaWiki emails lower due to
spam countermeasures and may block bug 56414, so I think it should be
considered high priority now that we're sending more notifications compared to
a few years ago.

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[Bug 46640] Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP)

2013-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Luke Welling lwell...@wikimedia.org changed:

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[Bug 46640] Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP)

2013-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #1 from Terry Chay tc...@wikimedia.org ---
Luke, I think you just volunteered to create the API. :-) When it's ready, I
can open a ticket on RT.

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[Bug 46640] Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP)

2013-04-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Priority|Unprioritized   |Low
Version|unspecified |1.22-git
Summary|Add proper bounce handling  |Add proper email bounce
   |to MediaWiki (with VERP)|handling to MediaWiki (with
   ||VERP)
   Severity|normal  |enhancement

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[Bug 46640] Add proper email bounce handling to MediaWiki (with VERP)

2013-04-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Terry Chay tc...@wikimedia.org changed:

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