[Bug 47790] VisualEditor: Slugs should be more obvious to the user that they're not really blank lines
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47790 Ad Huikeshoven a...@wikimedia.nl changed: What|Removed |Added CC||a...@wikimedia.nl --- Comment #24 from Ad Huikeshoven a...@wikimedia.nl --- On nl.wp a discussion has started to turn on VE. In the process feedback has been collected on VE. Some users commented on white lines as a blocking issue for turning VE on as default. On top of pages like: * https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bali_%28eiland%29?veaction=edit * https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justine_Henin?veaction=edit * https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rijn?veaction=edit * https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brussels_Hoofdstedelijk_Gewest?veaction=edit * https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antwerpen_%28stad%29?veaction=edit as well as on other places on the page white lines or carriage returns appear in VE edit mode which do not appear in read mode. On mouse over the white line turns blue. Some users fear that newcomers others will delete those white lines and carriage returns. However, after deletion of those lines images are accidently deleted from the page. This discussion started on bug 49806. James Forrester pointed me to this bug to continue the discussion. (Deleting white space at the bottom of a page might also delete accidently categories and other metadata.) How can I help to resolve this 'bug'? I will also copy to bug 55336. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 47790] VisualEditor: Slugs should be more obvious to the user that they're not really blank lines
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47790 --- Comment #21 from Gerrit Notification Bot gerritad...@wikimedia.org --- Change 109307 merged by jenkins-bot: Collapse block slugs and expand on hover/focus https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/109307 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 47790] VisualEditor: Slugs should be more obvious to the user that they're not really blank lines
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47790 --- Comment #22 from Gerrit Notification Bot gerritad...@wikimedia.org --- Change 116742 abandoned by Esanders: Vector style tweaks for collapsible slugs https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/116742 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 47790] VisualEditor: Slugs should be more obvious to the user that they're not really blank lines
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47790 James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added Status|PATCH_TO_REVIEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |FIXED Assignee|tpars...@wikimedia.org |esand...@wikimedia.org Target Milestone|--- |VE-deploy-2014-03-06 --- Comment #23 from James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org --- Initial version of this now merged and being deployed tomorrow. I think we'll want to revisit the styling and behaviour, but this will do for now. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 47790] VisualEditor: Slugs should be more obvious to the user that they're not really blank lines
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47790 --- Comment #20 from Gerrit Notification Bot gerritad...@wikimedia.org --- Change 116742 had a related patch set uploaded by Esanders: Vector style tweaks for collapsible slugs https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/116742 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 47790] VisualEditor: Slugs should be more obvious to the user that they're not really blank lines
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47790 WhatamIdoing wmf.whatamido...@yahoo.com changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugzilla.wikimedia. ||org/show_bug.cgi?id=60535 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 47790] VisualEditor: Slugs should be more obvious to the user that they're not really blank lines
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47790 --- Comment #19 from Gerrit Notification Bot gerritad...@wikimedia.org --- Change 109307 had a related patch set uploaded by Esanders: Collapse block slugs, and expand on hover/focus https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/109307 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 47790] VisualEditor: Slugs should be more obvious to the user that they're not really blank lines
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47790 Gerrit Notification Bot gerritad...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ASSIGNED|PATCH_TO_REVIEW -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 47790] VisualEditor: Slugs should be more obvious to the user that they're not really blank lines (a.k.a. infoboxes get deleted too easily)
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47790 Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added CC||e...@wikimedia.org Severity|normal |major --- Comment #15 from Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org --- I agree with previous commenters that this is likely to be at the cause of a lot of the accidental infobox deletions and such. I understand it's a tricky issue, but the current behavior is extremely confusing from the user's point of view, so we need to look at some viable solutions. Recapping the simple case: User is on what they perceive to be an unnecessary newline, presses delete to make the visual layout match the expected layout. A separate object (in the case of the infobox, right-aligned on the other side of the screen) suddenly disappears. This is very surprising and counter-intuitive behavior. Why don't we just suppress the delete key when pressing it would delete the object the slug is associated with? In some alternative editors like Google Docs, it is actually not possible to nuke the entire document by just pressing down the delete key at the top of the page -- it will stop before certain objects. I've never had any problems as a result. That seems like the simplest solution to me and does not require a redesign of the slugs. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 47790] VisualEditor: Slugs should be more obvious to the user that they're not really blank lines
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47790 Ed Sanders esand...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added Summary|VisualEditor: Slugs should |VisualEditor: Slugs should |be more obvious to the user |be more obvious to the user |that they're not really |that they're not really |blank lines (a.k.a. |blank lines |infoboxes get deleted too | |easily) | --- Comment #16 from Ed Sanders esand...@wikimedia.org --- I think we should split this bug in two: Slugs, and accidental deletion of FocusableNodes. Here is the latter: bug 55336 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 47790] VisualEditor: Slugs should be more obvious to the user that they're not really blank lines
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47790 --- Comment #17 from Jonathan Haas jonathan_h...@live.de --- (In reply to comment #15) Why don't we just suppress the delete key when pressing it would delete the object the slug is associated with? This would still leave the user with a superfluous empty line, which might be confusing and/or destroying the page layout. I like the idea in attachment 12988, but I think it would be better, if slugs would have had an effective default height of 0 (for example height: 4px, margin-top: -2px, margin-bottom:-2px), so the article layout would match the real one. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 47790] VisualEditor: Slugs should be more obvious to the user that they're not really blank lines
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47790 Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added Priority|High|Normal Severity|major |normal --- Comment #18 from Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org --- Thanks, Ed, for splitting the issue and working on a patch for bug 55336. Accordingly, I've set that bug to High/Major and this one to Normal, as the overall UX for slugs is important, but not as significant as the accidental deletion of content with the current implementation. I also suspect that we would want to alter the delete behavior even if we end up altering the slug appearance overall. I do agree that the accidental whitespace is confusing (it's often the most immediate and obvious difference from read mode) and it would be good to find an alternative. In addition to offering an affordance on hover, we might also expand the slugs as the user moves her cursor through the page. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 47790] VisualEditor: Slugs should be more obvious to the user that they're not really blank lines (a.k.a. infoboxes get deleted too easily)
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47790 Elitre elitr...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added Summary|VisualEditor: Slugs should |VisualEditor: Slugs should |be more obvious to the user |be more obvious to the user |that they're not really |that they're not really |blank lines |blank lines (a.k.a. ||infoboxes get deleted too ||easily) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 47790] VisualEditor: Slugs should be more obvious to the user that they're not really blank lines
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47790 --- Comment #14 from Elitre elitr...@gmail.com --- Today JohnCD asked again about this and I got another report from fr.wp, https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Osmiumdiff=96605232oldid=93301425 . Hoping this gets some love soon :) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 47790] VisualEditor: Slugs should be more obvious to the user that they're not really blank lines
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47790 John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||jonathan_h...@live.de --- Comment #13 from John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com --- *** Bug 52172 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 47790] VisualEditor: Slugs should be more obvious to the user that they're not really blank lines
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47790 Ed Sanders esand...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added CC||esand...@wikimedia.org --- Comment #11 from Ed Sanders esand...@wikimedia.org --- Suggestion: http://i.imgur.com/39QQi8U.png -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 47790] VisualEditor: Slugs should be more obvious to the user that they're not really blank lines
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47790 --- Comment #12 from MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com --- Created attachment 12988 -- https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=12988action=edit Copy of http://i.imgur.com/39QQi8U.png Please upload attachments to Bugzilla. imgur periodically prunes images; Bugzilla does not. :-) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 47790] VisualEditor: Slugs should be more obvious to the user that they're not really blank lines
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47790 johnc...@hotmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||johnc...@hotmail.com --- Comment #10 from johnc...@hotmail.com --- This causes trouble in the fairly common operation of removing a template (e.g. a PROD) from the top of a page which has an infobox. Click the template to select it, press Delete and it goes, leaving apparently a spare blank line at the top. The natural reaction is press Delete again to remove the blank line, and that takes out the info box. (Win7, FF22.0) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 47790] VisualEditor: Slugs should be more obvious to the user that they're not really blank lines
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47790 Joe Decker joedec...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||joedec...@gmail.com --- Comment #9 from Joe Decker joedec...@gmail.com --- I suspect this is behind a few of the reports (on the ENWIKI feedback page, some of them mine) in which unexpected deletions are caused. As a separate question, can you undo deletion of slugs? If not, I think that would explain another set of problems others and I have observed. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 47790] VisualEditor: Slugs should be more obvious to the user that they're not really blank lines
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47790 --- Comment #4 from Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org --- Does this include the line of whitespace right at the start of articles? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 47790] VisualEditor: Slugs should be more obvious to the user that they're not really blank lines
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47790 --- Comment #5 from Raimond Spekking raimond.spekk...@gmail.com --- It looks like this bug was fixed somehow. I cannot longer reproduce it on dewiki. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 47790] VisualEditor: Slugs should be more obvious to the user that they're not really blank lines
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47790 --- Comment #7 from James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org --- (In reply to comment #4) Does this include the line of whitespace right at the start of articles? Yes. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 47790] VisualEditor: Slugs should be more obvious to the user that they're not really blank lines
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47790 --- Comment #6 from James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org --- (In reply to comment #5) It looks like this bug was fixed somehow. I cannot longer reproduce it on dewiki. Yes, we removed the slugs between lists because we felt they were no longer needed given the new editing tools, but they remain more widely. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 47790] VisualEditor: Slugs should be more obvious to the user that they're not really blank lines
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47790 --- Comment #8 from Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org --- Gotcha. A user was confused as to why they couldn't add a template to the top of an article without it appearing on the same line :). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 47790] VisualEditor: Slugs should be more obvious to the user that they're not really blank lines
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47790 James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added CC||elitr...@gmail.com --- Comment #3 from James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org --- *** Bug 50295 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 47790] VisualEditor: Slugs should be more obvious to the user that they're not really blank lines
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47790 James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added CC||oke...@wikimedia.org --- Comment #2 from James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org --- *** Bug 50797 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 47790] VisualEditor: Slugs should be more obvious to the user that they're not really blank lines
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47790 James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added Priority|Unprioritized |High Status|NEW |ASSIGNED CC||i...@wikia-inc.com, ||or...@framezero.com Component|General |ContentEditable Assignee|jforres...@wikimedia.org|tpars...@wikimedia.org Summary|* followed by a colon (:) |VisualEditor: Slugs should |adds a new line in edit |be more obvious to the user |mode|that they're not really ||blank lines --- Comment #1 from James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org --- This is deliberate - the line is a slug, allowing the user to insert text between the UL and the DL without creating a bullet and then down-converting it into a paragraph. We've been thinking about putting a little icon in slugs and making them a different height/etc. so it's obvious that they're not really there and are just places items can go. Re-purposing this bug to talk about that. :-) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
