[Bug 49894] Webfonts in ULS at ml.wikipedia be disabled by default
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49894 vssun vss...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added Priority|Low |High Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED URL||https://ml.wikipedia.org/wi ||ki/%E0%B4%B5%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4 ||%95%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%95%E0%B4 ||%BF%E0%B4%AA%E0%B5%80%E0%B4 ||%A1%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%AF:%E0%B ||4%AA%E0%B4%9E%E0%B5%8D%E0%B ||4%9A%E0%B4%BE%E0%B4%AF%E0%B ||4%A4%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%A4%E0%B ||5%8D_%28%E0%B4%B8%E0%B4%BE% ||E0%B4%99%E0 URL||%B5%8D%E0%B4%95%E0%B5%87%E0 ||%B4%A4%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%95%E0 ||%B4%82%29#English_translati ||on_of_the_proposal_being_vo ||ted_here Resolution|WONTFIX |--- Severity|enhancement |major --- Comment #18 from vssun vss...@gmail.com --- Malayalam Wikipedia community unanimously decided to set the Default font of ULS to System Font. Please see the discussion and voting at the link below https://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B4%B5%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%95%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%95%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%AA%E0%B5%80%E0%B4%A1%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%AF:%E0%B4%AA%E0%B4%9E%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%9A%E0%B4%BE%E0%B4%AF%E0%B4%A4%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%A4%E0%B5%8D_%28%E0%B4%B8%E0%B4%BE%E0%B4%99%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%95%E0%B5%87%E0%B4%A4%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%95%E0%B4%82%29#English_translation_of_the_proposal_being_voted_here Hence reopening the bug and making its priority to high-major -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 49894] Webfonts in ULS at ml.wikipedia be disabled by default
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49894 Viswaprabha viswapra...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||viswapra...@gmail.com --- Comment #19 from Viswaprabha viswapra...@gmail.com --- I presume the only needed change in code for this issue is a removal of the '*' character from the end of line shown here: https://git.wikimedia.org/blob/mediawiki%2Fextensions%2FUniversalLanguageSelector/20033e4fbf0c4743df5162f10c67c0751c414608/data%2Ffontrepo%2Ffonts%2FMeera%2Ffont.ini#L2 This will keep Meera being self-initiated as the preferred default font during the Webpage loading. The required change is similar to https://git.wikimedia.org/commitdiff/mediawiki%2Fextensions%2FUniversalLanguageSelector/e726f016153727d82ef1652dbe7bb4fd426035e5 AFAIK, this is not going to break the mediawiki or extension or the WM servers. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 49894] Webfonts in ULS at ml.wikipedia be disabled by default
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49894 --- Comment #20 from Jyothis Edathoot jyothi...@gmail.com --- (In reply to comment #13) Andre, While we appreciate your time on this, please select your words carefully. Warning is a pretty strong word, and no one has given developers rights to overrule a community's decision. Unless there are specific implementation details that prevents developers from implementing what community wants, Please do not close it as wont fix again. Thanks. (In reply to comment #11) Can you please explain? As far as I know we have the same issues w.r.t. OS support. As far as I know (e.g. https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/68350/ ), Tamil has way wider default font support. If you don't think so, reliable sources are welcome. Please do whatever you did for tamil to malayalam also. Again, that's not planned. Please leave this ticket as RESOLVED WONTFIX. I've written this in comment 7 already, so please consider this a last warning. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 49894] Webfonts in ULS at ml.wikipedia be disabled by default
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49894 --- Comment #17 from praveenp me.prav...@gmail.com --- Andre Kalpper, If we could ask a question, may we know what are you trying to fix? :-) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 49894] Webfonts in ULS at ml.wikipedia be disabled by default
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49894 --- Comment #16 from Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org --- (In reply to comment #15) Win XP without Indian languge support doesn't display malayam properly with webfonts also. I'm not sure how many dozen times more I should repeat comment 7: File bug reports. Vague it doesn't work properly comments are completely useless and waste everybody's time. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 49894] Webfonts in ULS at ml.wikipedia be disabled by default
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49894 --- Comment #6 from sunil vss...@gmail.com --- At present ULS is selecting a web font as default font. If ULS is well designed, it wont be a problem to set the System Font as default. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 49894] Webfonts in ULS at ml.wikipedia be disabled by default
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49894 Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |WONTFIX --- Comment #7 from Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org --- It would be great to know the specific technical issues that these communities face with web fonts. We'd gladly welcome well-defined and clear bug reports with good steps to reproduce (see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_report_a_bug ) to fix problems with the fonts currently used by ULS. However I was told that switching webfonts completely off in ULS for Malayalam and Tamil and setting the system font as default instead is not planned. I've asked for specific technical reasons and hope that the L10N team will elaborate. Hence I'm closing this as WONTFIX again, the way to improve things are fixing the issues that you face with the webfonts used. Please do not reopen this again as a sign of disagreement, but I encourage you to help the developers fix the issues with the webfonts. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 49894] Webfonts in ULS at ml.wikipedia be disabled by default
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49894 --- Comment #8 from praveenp me.prav...@gmail.com --- (In reply to comment #7) However I was told that switching webfonts completely off in ULS for Malayalam and Tamil and setting the system font as default instead is not planned. Wish to know why? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 49894] Webfonts in ULS at ml.wikipedia be disabled by default
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49894 Ravishankar ravidreams...@yahoo.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED Resolution|WONTFIX |--- --- Comment #9 from Ravishankar ravidreams...@yahoo.com --- Andre, //I'm not aware of a way to tell ULS to not use Webfonts for a specific deployment or language (but again, I am not a developer), so this might require some code changes in ULS first.// This is possible if santhosh's commit for Tamil is valid https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/68350/ //However I was told that switching webfonts completely off in ULS for Malayalam and Tamil and setting the system font as default instead is not planned.// Siebrand has confirmed the default font change for Tamil at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49930 Is web font going to be default in Tamil Wikimedia projects again? I am sorry for reopening the thread but there is no other way to get clarification from the developers. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 49894] Webfonts in ULS at ml.wikipedia be disabled by default
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49894 Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED Resolution|--- |WONTFIX --- Comment #10 from Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org --- (In reply to comment #8) Wish to know why? For the specific case of Malayalam and comparing it to Tamil, Tamil has way wider default support in operating systems than Malayalam has, hence there are way less users having issues. That's the base for the WONTFIX. (In reply to comment #9) This is possible if santhosh's commit for Tamil is valid Oh I see. Thanks for correcting/clarifying my misleading previous comment! Is web font going to be default in Tamil Wikimedia projects again? No, that is not planned currently. Sorry again for confusing. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 49894] Webfonts in ULS at ml.wikipedia be disabled by default
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49894 sunil vss...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED Resolution|WONTFIX |--- --- Comment #11 from sunil vss...@gmail.com --- For the specific case of Malayalam and comparing it to Tamil, Tamil has way wider default support in operating systems than Malayalam has, hence there are way less users having issues. That's the base for the WONTFIX. Can you please explain? As far as I know we have the same issues w.r.t. OS support. Please do whatever you did for tamil to malayalam also. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 49894] Webfonts in ULS at ml.wikipedia be disabled by default
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49894 --- Comment #12 from praveenp me.prav...@gmail.com --- (In reply to comment #10) For the specific case of Malayalam and comparing it to Tamil, Tamil has way wider default support in operating systems than Malayalam has, hence there are way less users having issues. That's the base for the WONTFIX. How is that? Could someone clarify? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 49894] Webfonts in ULS at ml.wikipedia be disabled by default
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49894 Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED Resolution|--- |WONTFIX --- Comment #13 from Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org --- (In reply to comment #11) Can you please explain? As far as I know we have the same issues w.r.t. OS support. As far as I know (e.g. https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/68350/ ), Tamil has way wider default font support. If you don't think so, reliable sources are welcome. Please do whatever you did for tamil to malayalam also. Again, that's not planned. Please leave this ticket as RESOLVED WONTFIX. I've written this in comment 7 already, so please consider this a last warning. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 49894] Webfonts in ULS at ml.wikipedia be disabled by default
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49894 --- Comment #14 from praveenp me.prav...@gmail.com --- From what I know, Win XP without local language support doesn't support any of these languages. But Tamil has less ligatures comparing to Malayalam so Tamil may appear more correct than Malayalam. Win XP is reaching its EOL, and any new win OS including Vista and win 7 has better support to Malayalam. In linux distributions, popular ones doesn't include some unicode 5.1 characters in default font Meera, so a wiki with ULS and running default webfont selection always create display error. Since there is a threat against community and commonsense, I am afraid to reopen this bug. May I reopen this? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 49894] Webfonts in ULS at ml.wikipedia be disabled by default
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49894 --- Comment #15 from sunil vss...@gmail.com --- Win XP without Indian languge support doesn't display malayam properly with webfonts also. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 49894] Webfonts in ULS at ml.wikipedia be disabled by default
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49894 sunil vss...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added Priority|Low |Normal --- Comment #4 from sunil vss...@gmail.com --- Is there any hurdle to take up this bug? Wont ULS support this? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 49894] Webfonts in ULS at ml.wikipedia be disabled by default
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49894 Jacob jacob.j...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added Priority|Normal |High CC||jacob.j...@gmail.com -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 49894] Webfonts in ULS at ml.wikipedia be disabled by default
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49894 Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added Priority|High|Low CC||alolita.sha...@gmail.com, ||amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.i ||l, ||niklas.laxst...@gmail.com, ||pgi...@wikimedia.org, ||s.mazel...@xs4all.nl, ||santhosh.thottingal@gmail.c ||om Component|Extension setup |UniversalLanguageSelector Version|wmf-deployment |master Product|Wikimedia |MediaWiki extensions --- Comment #5 from Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org --- No, this is not high priority. Resetting. I'm not aware of a way to tell ULS to not use Webfonts for a specific deployment or language (but again, I am not a developer), so this might require some code changes in ULS first. Hence moving from Extension setup to ULS. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 49894] Webfonts in ULS at ml.wikipedia be disabled by default
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49894 Ravishankar ravidreams...@yahoo.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||ravidreams...@yahoo.com --- Comment #3 from Ravishankar ravidreams...@yahoo.com --- Hi Andre, Both Malayalam and Tamil communities had consensus for this request and had strong opposition to web fonts roll out. Please check the last comment at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31936 The i18n tech team in particular promised both the communities that web fonts won't be implemented unless we request them again. Please check Siebrand's message at http://www.mail-archive.com/mediawiki-i18n@lists.wikimedia.org/msg00119.html which says: //On Monday December 12 at 18:00 UTC we deployed the extension WebFonts to 40 wikis in 11 Indic languages and Wikimedia Incubator -- all wikis in Assamese, Bengali, Gujarati, Hindi, Kannada, Marathi, Nepali, Oriya, (Eastern) Punjabi, Sankrit and Telugu have WebFonts now. WebFonts was not deployed on Malayalam and Tamil projects. The reason for this was that community members had requested us not to. We are confident that in time, the communities will request that WebFonts is enabled on their projects.// Now, who requested for this feature to be implemented in Tamil Wikimedia projects? Was there a community consensus? Did the developers request for the community's view or invite them to beta test at least? Coupling web fonts implementation with ULS and forcing it on the community is unfair. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 49894] Webfonts in ULS at ml.wikipedia be disabled by default
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49894 Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords||shellpolicy Priority|Unprioritized |Low CC||aklap...@wikimedia.org, ||run...@gmail.com See Also||https://bugzilla.wikimedia. ||org/show_bug.cgi?id=49889 Severity|normal |enhancement --- Comment #1 from Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org --- For any configuration change, we require a local consensus, and it looks like the discussion was only started two days ago. For more information about how to request these kinds of changes, please see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requesting_wiki_configuration_changes and feel free to forward that link to others who may want similar changes made in the future. Thanks! -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 49894] Webfonts in ULS at ml.wikipedia be disabled by default
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49894 praveenp me.prav...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||me.prav...@gmail.com --- Comment #2 from praveenp me.prav...@gmail.com --- May I know about the consensus you've used to deploy this?!? (It was not even a beta rollout!) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
