[Bug 49932] Shift the ULS icon to header and label it

2013-06-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49932

Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC||federicol...@tiscali.it
   Severity|major   |enhancement

--- Comment #1 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it ---
(In reply to comment #0)
 But the language communities that use this tool never had a chance to test,
 there was no beta rollout, there was no announcement or request for feedback.

False, false and false. :) Check better your village pumps for announcements
and beta.wmflabs.org. But sure, little help testing came from the ta.wiki
community, it's true that the announcements are not very effective; they're
constantly trying to get better.

 The tool might have worked as such for the commons community but shifting the
 location for other communities has made it confusing. 
 
 Why can't the icon be moved to the top for all languages as you do in
 Commons?

I don't know about can't, but is this your opinion or a consensual wish of
the community?
There's an explanation at
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Universal_Language_Selector/Testing#Location_for_the_Selector,
I've added a link from the FAQ.

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[Bug 49932] Shift the ULS icon to header and label it

2013-06-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49932

Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it changed:

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--- Comment #2 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it ---
*** Bug 49560 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[Bug 49932] Shift the ULS icon to header and label it

2013-06-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49932

Siebrand s.mazel...@xs4all.nl changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX

--- Comment #3 from Siebrand s.mazel...@xs4all.nl ---
Thank you for your input. We have tested this, and things are discoverable. The
previous UI was too present. At this point in time, we are not considering a
change. I'm closing this change request as WONTFIX.

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[Bug 49932] Shift the ULS icon to header and label it

2013-06-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49932

Ravishankar ravidreams...@yahoo.com changed:

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 Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED
 Resolution|WONTFIX |---

--- Comment #4 from Ravishankar ravidreams...@yahoo.com ---
Nemo, 

I only found an announcement prior to rollout in Village pump that Narayam and
web fonts will be replaced by ULS:

https://ta.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%AE%B5%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%95%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%95%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%AA%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%AA%E0%AF%80%E0%AE%9F%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%AF%E0%AE%BE:%E0%AE%86%E0%AE%B2%E0%AE%AE%E0%AE%B0%E0%AE%A4%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%A4%E0%AE%9F%E0%AE%BF#Universal_Language_Selector_to_replace_Narayam_and_WebFonts_extensions

It didn't invite for testing and still there is no beta rollout.  It was not
clear that web fonts will be forced on communities that didn't want it. As you
said the it's true that the announcements are not very effective. Otherwise,
the community has no reason to be agitated when things are rolled out. 

Thanks for the link regardin ULS icon location.

Siebrand,

I don't understand the problem with being too present. The earlier Narayam
tool's location was intuitive even for new users. Now, people are searching for
the hidden icon. 

The test result 

//Using two different locations for language-related settings creates
confusion.//

is wrong by test design itself. 

When Narayam was there, the interlanguage links and typing tool were at
different locations  and it didn't cause any confusion at all. This is real
time community feedback which is more valid than the feedback provideb by the
testing users. 

Other language link is a navigational aid and language setting is a control
aid. Just because both have the keyword language, they don't need to be
clubbed. In fact, most of the normal users don't visit other language Wikis.
But, regular users do use the typing tool a lot. Now you have clubbed the most
used typing tool with a least used other language link. 

Also, all the wiki's interface language are by default in the local language
and there is only a rare need for people to switch it. 

By combining different use cases, things have been made more difficult.

The test result

//Integration with interlanguage links (Option B) works. It works great
especially for content and UI changes. //

is not so valid for content and UI changes. Regular users look to activate a
typing tool before they touch the input box. When there is no such clue, they
hesitate to try the input box at all and discover that a typing aid is
presented later.

Following results from the test results are valid and present the point I make:
//Users perceived the top-right zone as a settings area.//

//The Cog icon, was considered not to attract the attention as the previous one
but to better convey the meaning of settings.//

But, it is unfortunate that the design team has made a wrong conclusion from
the results. 

Leave the interlanguage links and langauge settings separate and at the right
locations. There is no need to club them together. 

Even if you are not going to fix this issue, let me register these points. 

Thanks.

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[Bug 49932] Shift the ULS icon to header and label it

2013-06-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49932

Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org changed:

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 Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX

--- Comment #5 from Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org ---
Please do not reopen bug reports as a sign of disagreement. Thanks.

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