[Bug 52564] Allow sitelinks to wikipedia and wikivoyage redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52564 dacu...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugzilla.wikimedia. ||org/show_bug.cgi?id=72347 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 52564] Allow sitelinks to wikipedia and wikivoyage redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52564 --- Comment #11 from Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org --- In order for things like the Wikidata Game and WikiGrok to work seamlessly across different language projects I think we will need to get this bug fixed. Currently the ontology of items is a real mess across different languages since we are often treating all redirects as equivalent items to their target (in order to avoid the interwiki link fragmentation seen with Bonnie and Clyde). This potentially creates absurd situations where claims intended for individuals are applied to groups (or vice versa), or claims intended for songs are applied to albums (or vice versa), etc. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 52564] Allow sitelinks to wikipedia and wikivoyage redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52564 --- Comment #12 from Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org --- @Lydia: I responded to each of Danny's point in the thread (http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/A_need_for_a_resolution_regarding_article_moves_and_redirects#Clarification). TL;DR version: It is clear that this won't solve all of our problems, but I think it will be an improvement on the current situation. In particular it doesn't solve for the problem of Bonnie and Clyde linking to Bonnie and Clyde, but I don't see any practical solution to that problem. It does, however, completely solve for the hatmaking/hatmaker problem which is also very common. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 52564] Allow sitelinks to wikipedia and wikivoyage redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52564 Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de changed: What|Removed |Added CC||rkald...@wikimedia.org --- Comment #10 from Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de --- *** Bug 71859 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 52564] Allow sitelinks to wikipedia and wikivoyage redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52564 John F. Lewis johnflewi...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added Priority|Unprioritized |Low Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW CC||johnflewi...@gmail.com Ever confirmed|0 |1 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 52564] Allow sitelinks to wikipedia and wikivoyage redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52564 Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de changed: What|Removed |Added CC||swuen...@gmail.com --- Comment #9 from Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de --- *** Bug 40755 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 52564] Allow sitelinks to wikipedia and wikivoyage redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52564 Fomafix foma...@googlemail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||foma...@googlemail.com See Also||https://bugzilla.wikimedia. ||org/show_bug.cgi?id=40755 --- Comment #8 from Fomafix foma...@googlemail.com --- Bug 40755 describes an other solution of this problem based on __STATICREDIRECT__. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 52564] Allow sitelinks to wikipedia and wikivoyage redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52564 --- Comment #5 from filceolaire filceola...@gmail.com --- Here are Denny's comment: In case we modify the software so it does allow to link to redirects, I wanted to clarify that this would have the following consequences: 1. when entering a link into the Wikidata item to a Wikipedia, redirects will not be automatically resolved anymore. 2. a Wikipedia article will still only display the language links that are on the directly associated item in Wikidata, and additionally local links, but it will not collect those from redirects. 3. a Wikipedia article will not be able to directly access data from an item connected to a redirect to the article, but only to the item directly connected to the article. I don't need an extension or a second round of RFC, but I just wanted to make sure that this is understood before we implement the change. Cheers, --Denny (talk) 10:25, 26 April 2013 (UTC) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 52564] Allow sitelinks to wikipedia and wikivoyage redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52564 --- Comment #6 from filceolaire filceola...@gmail.com --- Response to Denny's comments: 1. Redirects will not be automatically resolved but we should be able to bring up a dialog box to give editors the option to go to the redirect destination. 2. This is the same as the situation now. 3. This is the same as the situation now but there is a workround to indirectly access the items. This proposal is not a solution to all problems but it does solve some, without breaking wikidata. Denny said he did not need an extension or a second round of RFC but now Lydia seems to be saying a new RFC is needed (How else can we answer the issue she raised?) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 52564] Allow sitelinks to wikipedia and wikivoyage redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52564 --- Comment #7 from Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org --- filceolaire: Your answer and the discussion could likely go to the RFC wikipage. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 52564] Allow sitelinks to wikipedia and wikivoyage redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52564 Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added CC||aklap...@wikimedia.org Severity|major |enhancement --- Comment #1 from Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org --- Thanks for taking the time to report this! You mention wikivoyage in the bug summary but nowhere in the initial comment, which confuses me. Could you come up with a specific example (page that exists), and explain what you would like to do, and why? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 52564] Allow sitelinks to wikipedia and wikivoyage redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52564 --- Comment #2 from filceolaire filceola...@gmail.com --- Bonnie and Clyde (Q219937) has sitelinks to 31 wikipedias. Bonnie Parker (Q2319886) has links to 4 wikipedias. Clyde Barrow (Q3320282) has links to 3 wikipedias. Dutch (nl:) and Norwegian (no:) wikipedias have pages on Bonnie Parker and on Clyde Barrow as well as pages on Bonnie and Clyde. Portugese wikipedia (pt:) has pages on Bonnie Parker and on Clyde Barrow but does not have a page which covers both of them together. http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonnie_Parker http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clyde_Barrow The Bonnie Parker item (Q2319886) has links to the pt:, nl: and no: pages on Bonnie Parker and to the German page on Bonnie and Clyde via a German redirect page. This link to a redirect page was created using a hack - Create a stub page: Create a link to this: Convert the stub to a redirect. If this bug is resolved then we won't need to use the hack described above to create links to redirect pages. We can create links from the wikidata page on Bonnie Parker to any of the 31 pages on the wikidata Bonnie and Clyde page which have suitable redirect pages as well as the links to other Bonnie Parker pages (ie nl: and no:.) so this page could have 31 links instead of 4 and it would link to all the wikipedias with relevant information rather than just linking to identical pages. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 52564] Allow sitelinks to wikipedia and wikivoyage redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52564 --- Comment #3 from filceolaire filceola...@gmail.com --- The same issue can happen in wikivoyage where different vikivoyages divide the world slightly differently - one divides a large city in 4 articles and another does it in one article. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
