[Bug 22987] don't use the down-arrow menu if it includes only one item

2010-11-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22987

--- Comment #15 from Trevor Parscal tpars...@wikimedia.org 2010-11-08 
18:08:24 UTC ---
It seems that you are calling for a show as much as you possibly can as tabs
approach, which is not what we want for the default user interface, but could
potentially be supported as an option.

The software that automatically hides/shows items needs to be improved a bit to
support this. Right now only tabs marked as collapsible will be collapsed,
but marking drop-down items as expandable does not yet work. Adding that
functionality as well as a line of JavaScript that sets all drop-down menu
items as expandable would do the trick.

Again however, exposing more controls does not equal more usability any more
than hiding more of them does. There's a balance that needs to achieved between
cluttering the screen with every possible button and hiding all buttons behind
menus.

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[Bug 22987] don't use the down-arrow menu if it includes only one item

2010-11-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22987

--- Comment #16 from Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com 2010-11-08 21:15:17 UTC ---
The point you make is a good one, I agree that a screen like the one I attached
may appear overwhelming to a new comer and is not very clean and simple.

However, I'd like to point out that aside from the Move-tab (where this bug is
mainly about) and users with special rights (such as Delete for administrators)
and logged in users with user scripts have extra tabs and buttons. Also scripts
can always decide for themselfs whether to add their stuff to the menu or the
tab-bar and to allow expanding and collapsing. I do think that all the default
tabs should be collapsible/expandable with no exception to Move, Delete and
Protect.

Now that we're on it, I should note to myself to add support for the
collapsible/expandable classes in the new mw.util.addPortletLink.

Also if you think it will be usefull to have but don't have the time/priority
to do it yourself (yet) to work on the expandable-script . I do have commit
access so I'm willing to write it myself - not changing any defaults - just
adding the functionality.


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[Bug 22987] don't use the down-arrow menu if it includes only one item

2010-11-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22987

--- Comment #17 from Trevor Parscal tpars...@wikimedia.org 2010-11-08 
21:41:37 UTC ---
While yes, scripts can do whatever they like, advanced operations like delete
and protect are loaded into the drop-down, and that's where they should be
since they are less commonly used tools (maybe we can get some stats on that?).

(In reply to comment #16)
 Also if you think it will be usefull to have but don't have the time/priority
 to do it yourself (yet) to work on the expandable-script . I do have commit
 access so I'm willing to write it myself - not changing any defaults - just
 adding the functionality.

Feel free - it's in the Vector extension's ext.vector.collapsibleTabs module.
I'm sort of focused on some other things right now.

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[Bug 22987] don't use the down-arrow menu if it includes only one item

2010-11-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22987

--- Comment #18 from Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com 2010-11-08 22:15:03 UTC ---
Created attachment 7804
  -- https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=7804
Example screen

I forgot to attach the image earlier.

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[Bug 22987] don't use the down-arrow menu if it includes only one item

2010-11-06 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22987

--- Comment #13 from Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com 2010-11-07 01:01:40 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #9)
 If you don't have
 $wgVectorUseIconWatch set to true then the Watch/Unwatch tab will get brought
 up when there's room.
 
 If making all items able to be collapsed/expanded is something advanced users
 appreciate, then perhaps this and other Vector tweaks that server these users
 could be made into a Gadget.

I'm not sure why you asume only 'advanced users' find it annoying that resizing
a window smaller causes tabs to be unclickable or there to be wasted space and
an extra hover required, when resizing it bigger.

Seems a no-brainer to me.

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[Bug 22987] don't use the down-arrow menu if it includes only one item

2010-11-06 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22987

--- Comment #14 from Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com 2010-11-07 01:18:22 UTC ---
See also https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22986

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[Bug 22987] don't use the down-arrow menu if it includes only one item

2010-04-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22987

--- Comment #12 from Platonides platoni...@gmail.com 2010-04-22 12:13:07 UTC 
---
I thought that you meant line 83 of Vector.combined.min.js, while it only has
16.
I disabled $wgUsabilityInitiativeResourceMode = 'raw';, Vector.combined.min.js
is loaded. wgVectorEnabledModules is only checked on that file, not set.

The page html output include:
script type=text/javascriptvar wgVectorPreferences = {
collapsiblenav: {
enable: null
}
};
var wgVectorEnabledModules = {
collapsiblenav: true,
collapsibletabs: true,
editwarning: false,
footercleanup: false,
simplesearch: true
};/script

alert(wgVectorEnabledModules.collapsibletabs) shows true

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[Bug 22987] don't use the down-arrow menu if it includes only one item

2010-04-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22987

Trevor Parscal tpars...@wikimedia.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution||WONTFIX

--- Comment #2 from Trevor Parscal tpars...@wikimedia.org 2010-04-21 14:26:40 
UTC ---
This is not the intended design, and would introduce other issues.

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[Bug 22987] don't use the down-arrow menu if it includes only one item

2010-04-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22987

MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED
 Resolution|WONTFIX |

--- Comment #3 from MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com 2010-04-21 16:01:37 UTC ---
Re-opening this until there's some sort of justification for this design
decision.

Having a drop-down with a single item doesn't make any sense. It's similar to
having a list of items with only A) and no B).

I don't understand how this improves usability for our users to require extra
clicks to access something that doesn't need to be hidden in the first place.
If anything, it's deliberately introducing an accessibility issue, from what I
can see. This bug needs further review.

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[Bug 22987] don't use the down-arrow menu if it includes only one item

2010-04-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22987

Platonides platoni...@gmail.com changed:

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--- Comment #4 from Platonides platoni...@gmail.com 2010-04-21 17:04:12 UTC 
---
You may also have a second link: Watch. [Why isn't the watch star on trunk?]
When people isn't autoconfirmed then they will only have watch, so there's a
point on people not noticing that they have a new tab and copying  pasting
articles to move them.

I already thought on one wiki, after the change to vector, that I didn't have
sysop rights any more, since I wasn't seeing a delete tab.

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[Bug 22987] don't use the down-arrow menu if it includes only one item

2010-04-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22987

Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com changed:

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--- Comment #5 from Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com 2010-04-21 17:37:07 
UTC ---
(In reply to comment #4)
 You may also have a second link: Watch. [Why isn't the watch star on trunk?]
It is, it's just not enabled by default. Set $wgVectorUseIconWatch = true;

Another thing about this dropdown is that tabs may be folded into it as the
screen narrows, which is why it's always supposed to be there, even if empty (I
don't know if the latter is currently the case, but it should be).

I wrote some JS (see my user JS on Commons) that takes all tabs out of the
dropdown and puts them in the tab bar, which results in one or two being folded
back in in some cases, even on my rather mainstream resolution (1440x900 or
some such, I think). I guess this behavior could be made default: use the
dropdown only when it's needed to save space. I'd like to hear Trevor's opinion
on this.

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[Bug 22987] don't use the down-arrow menu if it includes only one item

2010-04-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22987

--- Comment #6 from Platonides platoni...@gmail.com 2010-04-21 17:58:59 UTC 
---
That seems sensible. Note that if you reduce the screen width, tabs don't go
into the dropdown menu, they go instead behind Page  talk tabs and under the
logo. So if it wasn't always like that, it's a regression.

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[Bug 22987] don't use the down-arrow menu if it includes only one item

2010-04-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22987

Trevor Parscal tpars...@wikimedia.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED
 Resolution||WONTFIX

--- Comment #7 from Trevor Parscal tpars...@wikimedia.org 2010-04-21 20:50:23 
UTC ---
The benefit of taking items that would be tabs and tucking them into a menu
which is visible on hover (not click as has been misrepresented here) is that
it reduces clutter. The purpose for reducing clutter is to allow for isolation
of the most important items to occur. This is the same reason we separated the
tabs - it provides more space around the Read/Edit/History tabs making them
more visible. We've seen noticable improvements of users' ability to locate the
Edit tab over Monobook already, and we are looking for ways to make the edit
tab more visible, not less - which expansion of the drop-down menu out to full
tabs would certainly do.

It should be noted that the software we've written detects the collapsible
class on list items which are in the tab or menu lists and automatically
collapses and expands them when there's enough room for them. We mark the
history tab collapsible by default because it's a less used view than read and
edit, but bringing items like move and protect up is specifically undesirable,
as it's adding clutter to the tabs, reducing the relative visibility of any one
tab - a.k.a dilution. If you have a table with only 3 items on it, you can
nearly instantly identify any one of them, the more items you add the longer it
will take.

Additionally, reducing the number of tabs across the top of the page serves to
reduce the minimum screen width required to properly render the skin. Because
we have a dynamic-width site, people often see lots of space between the left
and right tab sets and think it's a waste of space, not taking into
consideration the experience that users with netbooks or older machines will
encounter.

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[Bug 22987] don't use the down-arrow menu if it includes only one item

2010-04-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #8 from Platonides platoni...@gmail.com 2010-04-21 21:32:41 UTC 
---

 bringing items like move and protect up is specifically undesirable,
 as it's adding clutter to the tabs, reducing the relative visibility of any 
 one tab - a.k.a dilution.

Not all users will have the same needs. Some would favor having a block tab
ready to use to having an edit tab they never click (I usually access there
with keyboard).
Maybe a case for adding a new preference. 


 It should be noted that the software we've written detects the collapsible
 class on list items which are in the tab or menu lists and automatically
 collapses and expands them when there's enough room for them.

I have enough space, and the tabs don't move out of the menu.

If I resize the window, View history, doesn't go into the menu.

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[Bug 22987] don't use the down-arrow menu if it includes only one item

2010-04-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22987

--- Comment #9 from Trevor Parscal tpars...@wikimedia.org 2010-04-21 22:24:17 
UTC ---
(In reply to comment #8)
 I have enough space, and the tabs don't move out of the menu.
 
 If I resize the window, View history, doesn't go into the menu.

The UsabilityInitiative/Vector extension will add this functionality. Also, as
I mentioned, most items are not marked as collapsible. The History tab will
get tucked away when there's not enough space, and If you don't have
$wgVectorUseIconWatch set to true then the Watch/Unwatch tab will get brought
up when there's room.

If making all items able to be collapsed/expanded is something advanced users
appreciate, then perhaps this and other Vector tweaks that server these users
could be made into a Gadget.

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[Bug 22987] don't use the down-arrow menu if it includes only one item

2010-04-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #10 from Platonides platoni...@gmail.com 2010-04-21 22:39:07 UTC 
---
 The UsabilityInitiative/Vector extension will add this functionality. Also, as
 I mentioned, most items are not marked as collapsible. The History tab will
 get tucked away when there's not enough space, and If you don't have
 $wgVectorUseIconWatch set to true then the Watch/Unwatch tab will get brought
 up when there's room.

require($IP/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/Vector/Vector.php); isn't making a
difference here.

 If making all items able to be collapsed/expanded is something advanced users
 appreciate, then perhaps this and other Vector tweaks that server these users
 could be made into a Gadget.

We should really have a central gadget repository.

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[Bug 22987] don't use the down-arrow menu if it includes only one item

2010-04-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22987

--- Comment #11 from Trevor Parscal tpars...@wikimedia.org 2010-04-21 
23:06:15 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #10)
 require($IP/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/Vector/Vector.php); isn't making 
 a
 difference here.

Is Vector.combined.min.js included in the page? If it is, look for a json
object around line 85 in the output where wgVectorEnabledModules is defined.
Ensure that the collapsibletabs key is set to true.

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[Bug 22987] don't use the down-arrow menu if it includes only one item

2010-04-05 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #1 from tjsa...@yahoo.com 2010-04-06 02:17:06 UTC ---
I'm not sure what the purpose of the down arrow menu is unless its use is
making twinkle and friendly harder to use. I find that it makes the wiki more
annoying. Should we give a preference on the down arrow tabs being across or
hidden? sorry for the sarcasm

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