[Bug 25145] Improve .usermessage in the Vector skin

2011-03-13 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25145

Marcin Cieślak marcin.cies...@gmail.com changed:

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 Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED
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 Resolution||WONTFIX

--- Comment #24 from Marcin Cieślak marcin.cies...@gmail.com 2011-03-14 
01:32:47 UTC ---
Even on dewiki, where this comes from, it's not the default.

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[Bug 25145] Improve .usermessage in the Vector skin

2011-02-17 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25145

--- Comment #22 from xenocidic xenow...@gmail.com 2011-02-17 15:20:18 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #21)
 To respond to the claim that enwikipedia got no notice, it did make the
 signpost back in November -
 [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2010-11-08/Technology_report#In_brief]] so I
 wouldn't exactly say no notice.

Thank you for the link. So not 'no' notice, though perhaps 'insufficient'
notice. A post to WP:VPT would have greater visibility.

The link does confirm that there is little appetite and no apparent consensus
for the change.

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[Bug 25145] Improve .usermessage in the Vector skin

2011-02-17 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Victor Vasiliev vasi...@gmail.com changed:

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--- Comment #23 from Victor Vasiliev vasi...@gmail.com 2011-02-17 17:57:08 
UTC ---
Since usability people like user feedback, I can say that I missed new messages
bar at least five times today.

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[Bug 25145] Improve .usermessage in the Vector skin

2011-02-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25145

xenocidic xenow...@gmail.com changed:

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--- Comment #13 from xenocidic xenow...@gmail.com 2011-02-16 20:54:28 UTC ---
FYI, this took en.wiki by surprise, especially given that there was no notice
or consensus discussion.

See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29#Blue_new_message_bars.3F.21
(perm:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29oldid=414305904#Blue_new_message_bars.3F.21)

It will probably be changed back to orange in Vector.css.

In future, it would probably be a good idea to solicit opinion from en.wiki
users prior to making changes to interface components that have been static for
years.

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[Bug 25145] Improve .usermessage in the Vector skin

2011-02-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Derk-Jan Hartman hart...@videolan.org changed:

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--- Comment #14 from Derk-Jan Hartman hart...@videolan.org 2011-02-16 
21:29:46 UTC ---
Where would en.wikipedia be notified of all 100.000 changes per release ?

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[Bug 25145] Improve .usermessage in the Vector skin

2011-02-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Casey Brown b...@caseybrown.org changed:

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--- Comment #15 from Casey Brown b...@caseybrown.org 2011-02-16 21:33:20 UTC 
---
(In reply to comment #14)
 Where would en.wikipedia be notified of all 100.000 changes per release ?

...and why should en.wikipedia be singled out of all of our other 700+
projects?  The entire interface was static for years and was recently changed,
this is just a continuation of that.

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[Bug 25145] Improve .usermessage in the Vector skin

2011-02-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25145

--- Comment #16 from xenocidic xenow...@gmail.com 2011-02-16 21:37:00 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #15)
 (In reply to comment #14)
  Where would en.wikipedia be notified of all 100.000 changes per release ?
 
 ...and why should en.wikipedia be singled out of all of our other 700+
 projects?  The entire interface was static for years and was recently changed,
 this is just a continuation of that.

Well - to be honest - I'm actually also pretty surprised that this went through
to the other projects as well, given the reasonable objections raised above and
apparent lack of consultation with the end users.

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[Bug 25145] Improve .usermessage in the Vector skin

2011-02-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Titoxd titoxd.wikime...@gmail.com changed:

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--- Comment #17 from Titoxd titoxd.wikime...@gmail.com 2011-02-16 23:38:27 
UTC ---
There is a reason why the talk page notification is commonly called the orange
bar of death. You want to be able to notice it immediately.

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[Bug 25145] Improve .usermessage in the Vector skin

2011-02-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com changed:

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--- Comment #19 from David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com 2011-02-17 00:11:12 
UTC ---
While I don't believe that the English Wikipedia (or any project) is owed
special treatment, I agree that this should not have been implemented based
upon the above discussion alone.  As Xeno noted, reasonable objections were
raised, and I certainly see nothing resembling consensus for the change.

I agree that this modification contradicts the feature's intended purpose
(which is to stand out and attract attention, *not* look pretty and match the
skin).  Please revert until consensus to recolor the bar has been established. 
(This already has been done locally at the English Wikipedia, so I'm referring
to the global level.)  Thank you.

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[Bug 25145] Improve .usermessage in the Vector skin

2011-02-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25145

X! soxre...@gmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED
 Resolution|FIXED   |

--- Comment #20 from X! soxre...@gmail.com 2011-02-17 00:31:18 UTC ---
Reverted in r82315. There was no consensus for the change, and the whole point
of the bar is to stand out.

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[Bug 25145] Improve .usermessage in the Vector skin

2011-02-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25145

--- Comment #21 from Bawolff bawolff...@gmail.com 2011-02-17 00:36:07 UTC ---
To respond to the claim that enwikipedia got no notice, it did make the
signpost back in November -
[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2010-11-08/Technology_report#In_brief]] so I
wouldn't exactly say no notice.

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[Bug 25145] Improve .usermessage in the Vector skin

2011-02-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Daniel Friesen mediawiki-b...@nadir-seen-fire.com changed:

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   ||ire.com

--- Comment #18 from Daniel Friesen mediawiki-b...@nadir-seen-fire.com 
2011-02-17 00:07:16 UTC ---
I can agree that this change in color can have a negative impact on usability
of MW. It should probably be reverted.

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[Bug 25145] Improve .usermessage in the Vector skin

2010-11-10 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25145

Bawolff bawolff...@gmail.com changed:

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--- Comment #12 from Bawolff bawolff...@gmail.com 2010-11-11 01:19:59 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #11)
 I am very opposed to using a pop-up. If we are talking about changing how the
 feature works rather than just what color the box is, I think we really need 
 to
 do away with the box and add styling to the my talk link in the user tools.
 If liquid threads is enabled this link shows how many unread messages exist -
 we can follow along those lines by at least using that area of the screen to
 indicate there are some unread messages.

The CologneBlue skin had the you have new messages kind of as a line by the my
talk link. It was much prettier than the monobook way, but I almost never
noticed it (and I'm an experienced user, I assume newbies would notice it less
then me).

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[Bug 25145] Improve .usermessage in the Vector skin

2010-11-09 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25145

Gurch matthew.brit...@btinternet.com changed:

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--- Comment #6 from Gurch matthew.brit...@btinternet.com 2010-11-09 18:05:05 
UTC ---
Not sure I agree with this. The new messages notification was never intended to
blend in with the skin; indeed quite the opposite, it should be eye-catching. A
blue-grey box on a page with many more blue-grey boxes doesn't really have the
required impact.

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[Bug 25145] Improve .usermessage in the Vector skin

2010-11-09 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #7 from Trevor Parscal tpars...@wikimedia.org 2010-11-09 18:15:52 
UTC ---
I'm not sure it blends as much as doesn't make your eyes bleed.

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[Bug 25145] Improve .usermessage in the Vector skin

2010-11-09 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Ost316 mr_moogle@yahoo.com changed:

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--- Comment #8 from Ost316 mr_moogle@yahoo.com 2010-11-09 18:24:15 UTC ---
I agree that the new color seems to blend and can easily be missed.  I question
whether IPs take notice.

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[Bug 25145] Improve .usermessage in the Vector skin

2010-11-09 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25145

--- Comment #9 from Trevor Parscal tpars...@wikimedia.org 2010-11-09 18:28:07 
UTC ---
Probably a better solution would to come up with a common color for
notifications, and use it throughout the UI. Brown is probably not a good
choice, this blue isn't bad aesthetically but something more noticable (like
pale yellow or orange) might work.

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[Bug 25145] Improve .usermessage in the Vector skin

2010-11-09 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #10 from Max Semenik maxsem.w...@gmail.com 2010-11-09 18:54:19 
UTC ---
(In reply to comment #9)
 Probably a better solution would to come up with a common color for
 notifications, and use it throughout the UI.

The problem is that people should notice the notification for the _first_ time,
preferrably before it upgrades to You've been blocked for vandalism.

 Brown is probably not a good
 choice, this blue isn't bad aesthetically but something more noticable (like
 pale yellow or orange) might work.

It was absolutely disgusting, I shivered every time I saw it, that's why it was
so easy to notice:P We could probably try a popup notification (must be shown
only once, even if the user chose not to see the new message).

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[Bug 25145] Improve .usermessage in the Vector skin

2010-11-04 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25145

Trevor Parscal tpars...@wikimedia.org changed:

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 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution||FIXED

--- Comment #5 from Trevor Parscal tpars...@wikimedia.org 2010-11-04 17:38:05 
UTC ---
I applied this in r76017. Thanks for the patch!

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[Bug 25145] Improve .usermessage in the Vector skin

2010-11-03 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Reedy s...@reedyboy.net changed:

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Summary|Improve .usermessage in the |Improve .usermessage in the
   |Vector skin (patch added)   |Vector skin

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[Bug 25145] Improve .usermessage in the Vector skin (patch added)

2010-10-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #2 from Trevor Parscal tpars...@wikimedia.org 2010-10-12 17:25:44 
UTC ---
The design of Vector doesn't employ any rounded corners, except for buttons
(see the dialogs in the editor for instance), and furthermore tries not to use
boxes in general.

The banners used to help people learn more about the switch over to vector,
after the switch took place
(http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NoticeTemplate/viewtemplate=VectorNewLook)
are a more vector-like design.

That said, the whole messaging system is crap and should be rethought as well.

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[Bug 25145] Improve .usermessage in the Vector skin (patch added)

2010-10-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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p858snake p858sn...@gmail.com changed:

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   Keywords|need-review |reviewed

--- Comment #3 from p858snake p858sn...@gmail.com 2010-10-13 03:56:22 UTC ---
Two people have commented on said patch, I'm now assuming its been reviewed.

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[Bug 25145] Improve .usermessage in the Vector skin (patch added)

2010-10-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #4 from Trevor Parscal tpars...@wikimedia.org 2010-10-13 03:58:43 
UTC ---
(In reply to comment #3)
 Two people have commented on said patch, I'm now assuming its been reviewed.

The patch does not do anything but change the colors, which I support.

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[Bug 25145] Improve .usermessage in the Vector skin (patch added)

2010-10-09 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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X! soxre...@gmail.com changed:

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--- Comment #1 from X! soxre...@gmail.com 2010-10-10 03:36:53 UTC ---
Personally, I disagree with the usage of rounded corners. They're inconsistent
between browsers, many don't support them, and, IMO, they're pretty ugly unless
done right.

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[Bug 25145] Improve .usermessage in the Vector skin (patch added)

2010-09-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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p858snake p858sn...@gmail.com changed:

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   Keywords||need-review, patch
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