[Bug 25834] Expand the gender options/selection
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25834 --- Comment #14 from Derrick Coetzee --- Okay. I did read that discussion and I am aware that the Gender option is *intended* to be used primarily for internationalization and primarily in non-English languages, but that's not how it's used in practice - users use it to identify genders of other users and a popular gadget at English Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:PleaseStand/User_info) uses it to place male/female symbols beside usernames. But I agree that the fix at bug 31816 would also be acceptable and even preferable - it's better for the software not to ask for gender at all if it can avoid it - at least as long as it provides a gender-neutral option in languages that support it. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 25834] Expand the gender options/selection
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25834 Nemo changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugzilla.wikimedia. ||org/show_bug.cgi?id=30442, ||https://bugzilla.wikimedia. ||org/show_bug.cgi?id=31816 --- Comment #13 from Nemo --- Sure, all social networks should include one such option. (In reply to comment #12) > I would like to understand why it is different from all of these > other > organizations. You've obviously not read the discussion at bug 30442 if you ask this question. Maybe examples are clearer: see bug 31816, there's a patch for it that needs a little work but would avoid confusion like yours and others'. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 25834] Expand the gender options/selection
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25834 --- Comment #12 from Derrick Coetzee --- Please see my extensive comment above (timestamp 2013-01-24 06:45:47 UTC). What has changed since 2010 is that Google, YouTube, Flickr, deviantART, LiveJournal, MIT's edX, Drupal, Diaspora, and numerous other major websites have begun to support an "Other" option for Gender. Major governments in three countries in 2011 and 2012 implemented changes to allow for X indicating "Other" on national passports. My comment above explained this in considerable depth and I am very frustrated that you refuse to even acknowledge these justifications. If MediaWiki does not wish to also add an "Other" Gender option, I would like to understand why it is different from all of these other organizations. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 25834] Expand the gender options/selection
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25834 Nemo changed: What|Removed |Added Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED CC||federicol...@tiscali.it Resolution|--- |WONTFIX --- Comment #11 from Nemo --- I don't think anything has changed in the meanwhile and I don't see any additional information. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 25834] Expand the gender options/selection
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25834 Derrick Coetzee changed: What|Removed |Added Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED Resolution|WONTFIX |--- --- Comment #10 from Derrick Coetzee --- Re-opening for further discussion in light of additional information and patch provided above. I believe the number of sites supporting an "Other" gender has vastly expanded since 2010 when this bug was opened. Please let me know your thoughts. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 25834] Expand the gender options/selection
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25834 --- Comment #9 from Derrick Coetzee --- Okay I didn't realise when I created bug 44300 that this bug already existed. Here is my justification and attached patch (above) copied from that bug. There are a substantial number of people who view themselves as neither male nor female, either because they are genderqueer or because they live in a culture with a traditional third gender, such as the Hirja, the kathoeys, and Two-Spirit. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genderqueer Although the Gender field is used primarily for grammatical purposes and there is no universally accepted grammatical convention for non-binary people (for grammar purposes it could simply be treated the same as "Undisclosed"), I believe adding a choice of "Other" to the Gender field would help to make projects based on MediaWiki more welcoming to these people, who otherwise are compelled to choose "Undisclosed" even if they wish to be open about their gender. There is substantial precedent for this on other major websites which also have an "Other" option for Gender, including but not limited to (from http://nonbinary.org/wiki/Websites_and_social_networks): * Google Profile / Google+ * YouTube * Flickr * deviantART * LiveJournal * MIT's edX Other major open source software has also added it, such as Drupal. Diaspora made Gender a free-form text-field. And Australia, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom allow citizens to list gender as "X" on their passport. In short, I think adding an "Other" option that is treated grammatically the same as "Undisclosed" would be a simple, straightforward change that has considerable precedent and would benefit many users. I've included a patch against version 1.20.2. Most code did not have to be changed because in the current code MediaWiki uses gender-neutral wording (if available) whenever the gender is not male or female. Translation notes: In the patch I use the "version-other" message which is an existing translation message that just happens to read "Other". Ideally we should have a "gender-other" message explicitly for this purpose, which would merely clone version-other, but I'm not sure how to coordinate that with translatewiki.net, etc. Advice would be appreciated. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 25834] Expand the gender options/selection
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25834 --- Comment #8 from Derrick Coetzee --- Created attachment 11675 --> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=11675&action=edit MediaWiki patch to add gender option "Other" -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 25834] Expand the gender options/selection
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25834 --- Comment #7 from Derrick Coetzee --- My bug at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44300 which was just resolved as duplicate of this one provides much more specific and detailed justification for why this should be done, as well as a patch that does it. Please take a look. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 25834] Expand the gender options/selection
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25834 MZMcBride changed: What|Removed |Added CC||d...@moonflare.com --- Comment #6 from MZMcBride --- *** Bug 44300 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 25834] Expand the gender options/selection
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25834 Olivier Finlay Beaton changed: What|Removed |Added CC||olivier.bea...@gmail.com --- Comment #5 from Olivier Finlay Beaton 2011-09-22 23:33:04 UTC --- Do like the Australians. "Male", "Female", "Other". Since it's a non-forced option, keep "Unspecified". "Other" != "Unspecified" really. You _identify_ as "Other", you never identify as "Unspecified". But someone who doesn't specify never identifies as "Other". Let the translators slug it out with regards to message/name content. This is obviously a heated issue, it re-occured in https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30442 about adding the gender dropdown to the signup form. Is it worth re-opening this issue? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 25834] Expand the gender options/selection
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25834
p858snake changed:
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--- Comment #4 from p858snake 2011-09-22 23:29:27 UTC ---
This was in regards to a discussion that happened off site when we were talking
about gender indenity in {software/webapp} packages, We discussed this again
not long along and it was basically decided that unless you can have free form
boxes that "Male/Female/Undisclosed" were the best options to have and nothing
more was really needed.
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[Bug 25834] Expand the gender options/selection
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25834 Niklas Laxström changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords|i18n| CC||niklas.laxst...@gmail.com --- Comment #3 from Niklas Laxström 2011-09-18 12:02:54 UTC --- I think this is out of the scope of current gender feature, which is aimed for proper i18n. It is probably relevant for the planned social profile thingie. Untagging i18n. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 25834] Expand the gender options/selection
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25834 Purodha Blissenbach changed: What|Removed |Added CC||bugzilla.wikime...@publi.pu ||rodha.net --- Comment #2 from Purodha Blissenbach 2011-03-13 23:54:24 UTC --- Related: bug 27744, and bug 27743 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 25834] Expand the gender options/selection
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25834 Siebrand changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords||i18n CC||s.mazel...@xs4all.nl -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 25834] Expand the gender options/selection
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25834
Mark A. Hershberger changed:
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--- Comment #1 from Mark A. Hershberger 2011-02-09
23:17:07 UTC ---
What would your (closer to the ideal) {{gender}} magic word do?
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