[Bug 27925] Timestamp for file upload

2011-03-09 Thread bugzilla-daemon 
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27925

--- Comment #8 from Subfader subfa...@gmail.com 2011-03-09 09:45:30 UTC ---
I agree it may not be of general use tho. Somebody feel free to close this.

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[Bug 27925] Timestamp for file upload

2011-03-09 Thread bugzilla-daemon 
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27925

Bawolff bawolff...@gmail.com changed:

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 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution||WONTFIX

--- Comment #9 from Bawolff bawolff...@gmail.com 2011-03-09 23:20:33 UTC ---
Ok. Closing as wontfix. If anyone does come up with a general use case, please
feel free to re-open.

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[Bug 27925] Timestamp for file upload

2011-03-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon 
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27925

Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com changed:

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--- Comment #1 from Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com 2011-03-08 10:43:00 UTC ---
Although I think it's fairly simple to implement, there are many magic words
that could be implemented with ease, but without a good use case it would just
end up with a big mess.

Can you provide an example use case for this (fictitious is okay, but real one
would be preferred)

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[Bug 27925] Timestamp for file upload

2011-03-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon 
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27925

--- Comment #2 from Subfader subfa...@gmail.com 2011-03-08 11:34:19 UTC ---
I'd use it to enable 100% proper hotlinking use of my wiki images I created a
feature to copy an image to a static destination where images are never renamed
or deleted
As described in #27917 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27917

I'd like to add the tiemstamp of teh file revision (= upload date in the
history table, not the last page edit date) to ensure that files are not
overwritten.

Using {{REVISIONTIMESTAMP}} does work for this case since a file re-upload
creates a new {{REVISIONTIMESTAMP}}. But it's not 100% correct when the page is
edited after first upload and then copied to the static destination.

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[Bug 27925] Timestamp for file upload

2011-03-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon 
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27925

--- Comment #3 from Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com 2011-03-08 11:42:48 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #2)
 I'd use it to enable 100% proper hotlinking use of my wiki images I created a
 feature to copy an image to a static destination where images are never 
 renamed
 or deleted

This feature is not in the wiki itself, right ? Why do you need a
{{FILEREVISIONTIMESTAMP}} in the wiki articles ?

Why do you even need a timestamp for that, and if you needed, how does knowing
the timestamp of the latest revision in the wiki help that ?

As for hotlinking in general, see my comment in bug 27917.

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[Bug 27925] Timestamp for file upload

2011-03-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon 
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27925

--- Comment #4 from Subfader subfa...@gmail.com 2011-03-08 12:38:15 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #3)
 This feature is not in the wiki itself, right ? Why do you need a
 {{FILEREVISIONTIMESTAMP}} in the wiki articles ?

I pass it as URL parameter to a script that copies files in a static
destination.

 Why do you even need a timestamp for that, and if you needed, how does knowing
 the timestamp of the latest revision in the wiki help that ?
 
 As for hotlinking in general, see my comment in bug 27917.

I add that timestamp URL parameter to the filename. If the file is re-uploaded
it will create a new copy instead of overwriting the previously created one.

As said, {{REVISIONTIMESTAMP}} does that too but is not 100% correct.

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[Bug 27925] Timestamp for file upload

2011-03-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon 
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27925

--- Comment #5 from Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com 2011-03-08 21:44:00 UTC ---
I get that you add that to the filename, so you need the timestamp in your
image-copy script.

Why do you need it on-wiki ?

The only page where that magic word would return that timestamp is on the
file-page itself, and there the image is already shown anyway.

And for what it's worth, re-uploading should only rarely occur. In general
different version of a work should be uploaded as seperate files. re-uploading
is only needed (atleast on the wikis I use) to fix bugs, correct typos, etc.
those kind of things. In other words: useful to not have the image link to the
exact version and instead auto-correct.

Anyone else following the bug stream: What do you think about this magic word ?

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[Bug 27925] Timestamp for file upload

2011-03-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon 
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Bawolff bawolff...@gmail.com changed:

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--- Comment #7 from Bawolff bawolff...@gmail.com 2011-03-09 00:25:01 UTC ---
If the only use case is to do some fancy templating to work with some
customization that one person did to their wiki, sounds like it should be
implemented as an extension. If there is a more general use case for such a
magicword that's not dependant on running some form of custom code, then it'd
make more sense to implement in core. So as it stands, I think this is more
suited to an extension.

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