[Bug 51533] Translation information under the page title is too obtrusive
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51533 --- Comment #26 from Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org --- Kunal: Would be awesome if you could share your plans here. If you think that you (realistically) have time to continue working on this, feel free to set yourself as assignee. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 51533] Translation information under the page title is too obtrusive
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51533 kunalgrove...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added Assignee|wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia. |kunalgrove...@gmail.com |org | --- Comment #27 from kunalgrove...@gmail.com --- I am still willing to work on this. The latest patch fixed the Low and medium priority bugs pointed by Pau. The first implementation is pretty much ready and can be merged after review. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 51533] Translation information under the page title is too obtrusive
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51533 --- Comment #24 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it --- Created attachment 16369 -- https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=16369action=edit ECB language selection The other attachment is quite similar to the ecb.eu main page language selectors. Is there a gallery of existing solutions adopted around the web (or even just in the europa.eu domain: there might be no other relevant comparison considering that even coe.int, un.int and osce.org look quite English-centric)? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 51533] Translation information under the page title is too obtrusive
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51533 --- Comment #25 from Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org --- GSoC ended, this feature is not implemented, and I hope Kunal will stick around until completing it... -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 51533] Translation information under the page title is too obtrusive
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51533 --- Comment #20 from Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org --- The current Winter prototype at http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/ is proposing an expandable language box at the top right column. I like it a lot. What about using that design and that position of the page, just adding a Translate link integrated with that box? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 51533] Translation information under the page title is too obtrusive
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51533 --- Comment #21 from Niklas Laxström niklas.laxst...@gmail.com --- (In reply to Quim Gil from comment #20) There is no right column in any of existing skins. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 51533] Translation information under the page title is too obtrusive
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51533 --- Comment #22 from Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org --- Sure, but it is still possible to align an element to the top right area of an article. This is where Kunal is trying to locate the langage box anywaym according to the mockups he has shared at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/149585 : https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Language_bar_default.png I'm just suggesting to use Winter's design instead of trying to squeeze the current wide language box design in a place where it needs to be narrow. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 51533] Translation information under the page title is too obtrusive
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51533 --- Comment #23 from Niklas Laxström niklas.laxst...@gmail.com --- I'm not opposed, but we need to take into account non-JavaScript look (not present in the mockups) as well as do testing how well this works in different skins and on different pages. If it causes problems we might need to give users some flexibility on the placement and shape. We should also use ULS for showing the full list to not reinvent the wheel. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 51533] Translation information under the page title is too obtrusive
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51533 Gerrit Notification Bot gerritad...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |PATCH_TO_REVIEW -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 51533] Translation information under the page title is too obtrusive
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51533 --- Comment #19 from Gerrit Notification Bot gerritad...@wikimedia.org --- Change 149585 had a related patch set uploaded by Kunalgrover05: Language bar first design(in progress) https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/149585 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 51533] Translation information under the page title is too obtrusive
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51533 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il changed: What|Removed |Added Priority|Unprioritized |Normal CC||amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.i ||l -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 51533] Translation information under the page title is too obtrusive
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51533 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugzilla.wikimedia. ||org/show_bug.cgi?id=62702 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 51533] Translation information under the page title is too obtrusive
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51533 kunalgrove...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||kunalgrove...@gmail.com --- Comment #18 from kunalgrove...@gmail.com --- Hey, I would like to take up the redesign of language bar under my GSoC project. Please review https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Kunalgrover05/GSoc_Proposal#Redesign_of_interface_on_pages_and_language_bar -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 51533] Translation information under the page title is too obtrusive
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51533 --- Comment #16 from Pau Giner pgi...@wikimedia.org --- Created attachment 14651 -- https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=14651action=edit Possible design Some design options to integrate the list of languages and the translation action. Progress indicators for each language are lacking in the design but can be added. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 51533] Translation information under the page title is too obtrusive
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51533 --- Comment #17 from Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org --- What about a compact (default?) version simply showing... In the original language pages: [百] | Add + (no translations) [百] | French | Add + (only one translation is available) [百] | 2 more | Add + (more translations available) ([百] == a languages icon) In a translated page (assuming English is the original): English | Add + (only this translation is available) English | Français | Add +(another translation available) English | 2 more | Add +(more translations available) Potential portrait mode: [百] 2 more Add + English Français Add + Do you want to see more languages by default? A preference could be defined to set those: English | Afrikaans | العربية | asturianu | بلوچی مکرانی | български | Add + English Afrikaans العربية asturianu بلوچی مکرانی български Add + I don't have a strong opinion about the completion indicators either. If needed they can be added. This would simplify all the messages being shown currently: * Translate this page, there is a Translate tab, and now we would get the Add + * This page is a translated version of a page Happiness for everyone, solved with English linking to the original page. * and the translation is 43% complete., non-relevant? The % is quite arbitrary, and if the translation is incomplete it shouldn't take much to a reader to notice. We can add a % somewhere if needed. * This page has changes since it was last marked for translation., is this a message useful for anybody else than those with the permissions to mark pages for translation? Could be saved to everybody else, the problem is in the translated pages, not in this one. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 51533] Translation information under the page title is too obtrusive
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51533 --- Comment #15 from Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org --- After a short conversation with Pau, we agree that there are multiple problems here: * The links to existing translations and the call to translators should be part of the same object. We need a design for this. Pau has a draft (where?). * The current text could be shortened, or even limited to a minimal but meaningful expression. There is already a tab for Translate, there is already a link to English, there is already an indicator of completion. * The list of languages visible by default could be shortened, see [[mw:User:Niharika/Compacted_Interlanguage_Links_as_a_beta_feature]] (co-mentored by Pau) * The position of that object in the page is unclear. I proposed under the sidebar, since this is where interwiki links sit now in Wikipedia et al. Maybe a new location is proposed in the future? Even if it would stay near the title, it could be aligned to the right (left in RTL), not to be so much in the way like now. In any case, I would propose to place it wherever interwikis are located for consistency, but I'm happy with any better solution. As a side effect, this solution would avoid the fact of having to add languages / manually to pages. Is there a reason to have translations of a page and not wiling to offer links to those translations? Is there a bug report about this open already? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 51533] Translation information under the page title is too obtrusive
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51533 --- Comment #14 from Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org --- Ok, let me go back to the initial point of this report: Translation information under the page title is too obtrusive It could be placed at the end of the article, without any other changes, and the main problem of this report would be solved. I guess this is a simple implementation? This use case is akin to the famous Wikipedia banner This article is a stub. You can help expanding it. It makes sense to show the call to action Translate this page to those reaching that point, allowing a good reading flow to everybody. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 51533] Translation information under the page title is too obtrusive
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51533 --- Comment #13 from Jon jrob...@wikimedia.org --- I think the key thing is there should be a consistent way of displaying languages. Currently in the Vector skin languages appear in the left hand navigation menu. We should be consistent and treat these language links the same. It is terrible user experience to have 2 places for what effectively in result are the same thing. They are not the same thing. I understand this but you must also understand that this is naturally how a reader will interpret both of these things - same content, different language. I don't think we should conflate the two.. At the very least the HTML markup for both languages should be similar and they should be styled similar - they should both identify themselves as list of languages with consistent meta data to be able to determine the type of language. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 51533] Translation information under the page title is too obtrusive
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51533 Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added Summary|This page is a translated |Translation information |version of... under the|under the page title is too |page title is too obtrusive |obtrusive --- Comment #11 from Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org --- (In reply to comment #10) This bug was originally only about the This page is a translated version of... sentence on top. True, but the discussion has evolved to include the rest of translation elements under the title. I have edited the topic accordingly. But I agree it is good to keep discussing desktop only here, otherwise the topic becomes too broad. They are not the same thing. The interwiki links in the left sidebar link to pages about the same topic in other projects, which in most cases contain very different text. Yes, we know this. However, the message is the same: if you prefer (your language) to (the language you are reading) then click here. On Commons you can actually see both kinds of links used on the same page, separated by position: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Drawings Thank you, I was trying to find a page with that combination. The main point about this page is that the big blue box taking the most prominent space is quite intrusive and of little use for most readers landing on a page like that. The list of languages in the left column have a header that reads In Wikipedia. For these corner cases you could still have the other languages by default in the left column and then append at the end the In (somewhere else) section. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 51533] Translation information under the page title is too obtrusive
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51533 --- Comment #12 from Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org --- Ah, sorry. In fact the list of languages at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Drawings doesn't even correspond to the page but to the banner alone. This is a matter of the design of that banner, so I wouldn't include it in this discussion. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
