[Bug 52687] Use IEC units (KiB, MiB, etc.) and not SI units (KB, MB) on file description
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52687 --- Comment #10 from Daniel U. Thibault d.u.thiba...@bigfoot.com --- (In reply to Nemo from comment #8) For what it's worth, the upper K is a separate issue, and a mistake that not all languages and sectors allow themselves: see https://translatewiki.net/w/i. php?title=Special%3ATranslationsmessage=MediaWiki%3ASize- kilobytesnamespace=1256 That link lists the various translations for the Size-kilobytes message...whose description clearly states its measured in kibibytes. The resulting mess is awesome. Some languages have the correct kibi symbol, others use an ambiguous K, and some use a plainly wrong k. Not to mention those who use a Greek Chi or some such. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 52687] Use IEC units (KiB, MiB, etc.) and not SI units (KB, MB) on file description
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52687 --- Comment #11 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it --- So you know all those languages to nkow what's right and wrong? I remember you we live in a world where some English countries still use ancient era/middle ages units like foot and multiply by 12 instead of 10. :) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 52687] Use IEC units (KiB, MiB, etc.) and not SI units (KB, MB) on file description
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52687 --- Comment #12 from Bawolff (Brian Wolff) bawolff...@gmail.com --- (In reply to Nemo from comment #11) So you know all those languages to nkow what's right and wrong? I remember you we live in a world where some English countries still use ancient era/middle ages units like foot and multiply by 12 instead of 10. :) To be fair, if we counted in base 12, things would be so much better, as 12 has many more factors than 10, which is a good quality in a unit of measure, since you are more likely to divide things out evenly. As for the actual proposal - I'm all for changing english to KiB, at least in english, but its not something that I care enough about to have a flamewar over, so I don't exactly want to upload a patch for it ;) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 52687] Use IEC units (KiB, MiB, etc.) and not SI units (KB, MB) on file description
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52687 --- Comment #13 from Daniel U. Thibault d.u.thiba...@bigfoot.com --- (In reply to Nemo from comment #11) So you know all those languages to nkow what's right and wrong? I remember you we live in a world where some English countries still use ancient era/middle ages units like foot and multiply by 12 instead of 10. :) Symbols, when backed by IEEE, IEC, ISO or whatever, are translingual. No translation required. The nature of the quantity being reported by the message is *not* influenced by the language it is in. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 52687] Use IEC units (KiB, MiB, etc.) and not SI units (KB, MB) on file description
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52687 --- Comment #14 from Niklas Laxström niklas.laxst...@gmail.com --- That may be the ideal, but it is far from true in practice. Most languages using non-latin scripts will at least transliterate the symbols. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 52687] Use IEC units (KiB, MiB, etc.) and not SI units (KB, MB) on file description
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52687 --- Comment #7 from Daniel U. Thibault d.u.thiba...@bigfoot.com --- (In reply to comment #6) (In reply to comment #5) A tiresome argument. The pseudo-SI symbols are just plain wrong at worst, ambiguous at best. Can you clarify if by pseudo-SI symbols you mean GB or GiB? Your comment can be read in both ways. Sadly true. I meant KB, GB, etc. Pseudo-SI because they look like SI (the upper case K is wrong) but their values are different. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 52687] Use IEC units (KiB, MiB, etc.) and not SI units (KB, MB) on file description
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52687 --- Comment #8 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it --- (In reply to comment #7) Sadly true. I meant KB, GB, etc. Pseudo-SI because they look like SI (the upper case K is wrong) but their values are different. Thanks for clarifying. For what it's worth, the upper K is a separate issue, and a mistake that not all languages and sectors allow themselves: see https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special%3ATranslationsmessage=MediaWiki%3ASize-kilobytesnamespace=1256 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 52687] Use IEC units (KiB, MiB, etc.) and not SI units (KB, MB) on file description
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52687 Daniel Zahn dz...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added CC||dz...@wikimedia.org --- Comment #9 from Daniel Zahn dz...@wikimedia.org --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibibyte -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 52687] Use IEC units (KiB, MiB, etc.) and not SI units (KB, MB) on file description
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52687 Daniel U. Thibault d.u.thiba...@bigfoot.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||d.u.thiba...@bigfoot.com --- Comment #5 from Daniel U. Thibault d.u.thiba...@bigfoot.com --- This issue is about What people are used to vs. What is technically correct. A tiresome argument. The pseudo-SI symbols are just plain wrong at worst, ambiguous at best. There is absolutely no reason to be wishy-washy about this: no ordinary consumer is going to complain of not understanding the symbols once he's been pointed to the abundant literature that explains the issue. People are not stupid, they actually like learning new things. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 52687] Use IEC units (KiB, MiB, etc.) and not SI units (KB, MB) on file description
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52687 --- Comment #6 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it --- (In reply to comment #5) A tiresome argument. The pseudo-SI symbols are just plain wrong at worst, ambiguous at best. There is absolutely no reason to be wishy-washy about this: no ordinary consumer is going to complain of not understanding the symbols once he's been pointed to the abundant literature that explains the issue. People are not stupid, they actually like learning new things. Can you clarify if by pseudo-SI symbols you mean GB or GiB? Your comment can be read in both ways. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 52687] Use IEC units (KiB, MiB, etc.) and not SI units (KB, MB) on file description
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52687 --- Comment #4 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it --- Coming here from https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Thread:Support/File_size_messages . As the consumers vs. hard disk producers wars clearly show, the vast majority of the population interprets GB as GiB. The binary prefixes, while greatly appreciated and used by enthusiasts like me, are not so widely adopted globally. Some languages and operative systems are more precise and use them. It's not a trivial decision. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 52687] Use IEC units (KiB, MiB, etc.) and not SI units (KB, MB) on file description
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52687 Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added Priority|Unprioritized |Low Version|unspecified |1.22-git Summary|Use KiB, MiB, etc. and not |Use IEC units (KiB, MiB, |KB, MB on file description |etc.) and not SI units (KB, ||MB) on file description --- Comment #2 from Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org --- This should probably be discussed on English communities if such a change is wanted. And this might be a really good bikeshed. Note: SI units are power-of-ten based, IEC units are power-of-two based. Also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 52687] Use IEC units (KiB, MiB, etc.) and not SI units (KB, MB) on file description
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52687 --- Comment #3 from Zéfling zefl...@yahoo.fr --- Okay, in French version, it's Kio (Kibi-octet), Mio (Mégi-octet). The French community has already decided. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l