[Bug 52687] Use IEC units (KiB, MiB, etc.) and not SI units (KB, MB) on file description

2014-02-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52687

--- Comment #10 from Daniel U. Thibault d.u.thiba...@bigfoot.com ---
(In reply to Nemo from comment #8)
 For what it's worth, the upper K is a separate issue,
 and a mistake that not all languages and sectors allow themselves: see
 https://translatewiki.net/w/i.
 php?title=Special%3ATranslationsmessage=MediaWiki%3ASize-
 kilobytesnamespace=1256

That link lists the various translations for the Size-kilobytes
message...whose description clearly states its measured in kibibytes. The
resulting mess is awesome. Some languages have the correct kibi symbol, others
use an ambiguous K, and some use a plainly wrong k. Not to mention those who
use a Greek Chi or some such.

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[Bug 52687] Use IEC units (KiB, MiB, etc.) and not SI units (KB, MB) on file description

2014-02-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52687

--- Comment #11 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it ---
So you know all those languages to nkow what's right and wrong? I remember you
we live in a world where some English countries still use ancient era/middle
ages units like foot and multiply by 12 instead of 10. :)

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[Bug 52687] Use IEC units (KiB, MiB, etc.) and not SI units (KB, MB) on file description

2014-02-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52687

--- Comment #12 from Bawolff (Brian Wolff) bawolff...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to Nemo from comment #11)
 So you know all those languages to nkow what's right and wrong? I remember
 you we live in a world where some English countries still use ancient
 era/middle ages units like foot and multiply by 12 instead of 10. :)

To be fair, if we counted in base 12, things would be so much better, as 12 has
many more factors than 10, which is a good quality in a unit of measure, since
you are more likely to divide things out evenly.



As for the actual proposal - I'm all for changing english to KiB, at least in
english, but its not something that I care enough about to have a flamewar
over, so I don't exactly want to upload a patch for it ;)

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[Bug 52687] Use IEC units (KiB, MiB, etc.) and not SI units (KB, MB) on file description

2014-02-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52687

--- Comment #13 from Daniel U. Thibault d.u.thiba...@bigfoot.com ---
(In reply to Nemo from comment #11)
 So you know all those languages to nkow what's right and wrong? I remember
 you we live in a world where some English countries still use ancient
 era/middle ages units like foot and multiply by 12 instead of 10. :)

Symbols, when backed by IEEE, IEC, ISO or whatever, are translingual. No
translation required. The nature of the quantity being reported by the message
is *not* influenced by the language it is in.

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[Bug 52687] Use IEC units (KiB, MiB, etc.) and not SI units (KB, MB) on file description

2014-02-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52687

--- Comment #14 from Niklas Laxström niklas.laxst...@gmail.com ---
That may be the ideal, but it is far from true in practice. Most languages
using non-latin scripts will at least transliterate the symbols.

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[Bug 52687] Use IEC units (KiB, MiB, etc.) and not SI units (KB, MB) on file description

2014-02-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52687

--- Comment #7 from Daniel U. Thibault d.u.thiba...@bigfoot.com ---
(In reply to comment #6)
 (In reply to comment #5)
  A tiresome argument. The pseudo-SI symbols are just plain wrong at worst,
  ambiguous at best.
 
 Can you clarify if by pseudo-SI symbols you mean GB or GiB? Your comment
 can be read in both ways.

Sadly true. I meant KB, GB, etc. Pseudo-SI because they look like SI (the upper
case K is wrong) but their values are different.

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[Bug 52687] Use IEC units (KiB, MiB, etc.) and not SI units (KB, MB) on file description

2014-02-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52687

--- Comment #8 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it ---
(In reply to comment #7)
 Sadly true. I meant KB, GB, etc. Pseudo-SI because they look like SI (the
 upper
 case K is wrong) but their values are different.

Thanks for clarifying. For what it's worth, the upper K is a separate issue,
and a mistake that not all languages and sectors allow themselves: see
https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special%3ATranslationsmessage=MediaWiki%3ASize-kilobytesnamespace=1256

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[Bug 52687] Use IEC units (KiB, MiB, etc.) and not SI units (KB, MB) on file description

2014-02-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52687

Daniel Zahn dz...@wikimedia.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC||dz...@wikimedia.org

--- Comment #9 from Daniel Zahn dz...@wikimedia.org ---
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibibyte

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[Bug 52687] Use IEC units (KiB, MiB, etc.) and not SI units (KB, MB) on file description

2014-02-06 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52687

Daniel U. Thibault d.u.thiba...@bigfoot.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC||d.u.thiba...@bigfoot.com

--- Comment #5 from Daniel U. Thibault d.u.thiba...@bigfoot.com ---
This issue is about What people are used to vs. What is technically
correct.

A tiresome argument. The pseudo-SI symbols are just plain wrong at worst,
ambiguous at best. There is absolutely no reason to be wishy-washy about this:
no ordinary consumer is going to complain of not understanding the symbols
once he's been pointed to the abundant literature that explains the issue.
People are not stupid, they actually like learning new things.

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[Bug 52687] Use IEC units (KiB, MiB, etc.) and not SI units (KB, MB) on file description

2014-02-06 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52687

--- Comment #6 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it ---
(In reply to comment #5)
 A tiresome argument. The pseudo-SI symbols are just plain wrong at worst,
 ambiguous at best. There is absolutely no reason to be wishy-washy about
 this:
 no ordinary consumer is going to complain of not understanding the symbols
 once he's been pointed to the abundant literature that explains the issue.
 People are not stupid, they actually like learning new things.

Can you clarify if by pseudo-SI symbols you mean GB or GiB? Your comment can
be read in both ways.

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[Bug 52687] Use IEC units (KiB, MiB, etc.) and not SI units (KB, MB) on file description

2014-02-05 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52687

--- Comment #4 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it ---
Coming here from
https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Thread:Support/File_size_messages .

As the consumers vs. hard disk producers wars clearly show, the vast majority
of the population interprets GB as GiB. The binary prefixes, while greatly
appreciated and used by enthusiasts like me, are not so widely adopted
globally. Some languages and operative systems are more precise and use them.

It's not a trivial decision.

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[Bug 52687] Use IEC units (KiB, MiB, etc.) and not SI units (KB, MB) on file description

2013-08-10 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52687

Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Priority|Unprioritized   |Low
Version|unspecified |1.22-git
Summary|Use KiB, MiB, etc. and not  |Use IEC units (KiB, MiB,
   |KB, MB on file description  |etc.) and not SI units (KB,
   ||MB) on file description

--- Comment #2 from Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org ---
This should probably be discussed on English communities if such a change is
wanted. And this might be a really good bikeshed.

Note: SI units are power-of-ten based, IEC units are power-of-two based.
Also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix

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[Bug 52687] Use IEC units (KiB, MiB, etc.) and not SI units (KB, MB) on file description

2013-08-10 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52687

--- Comment #3 from Zéfling zefl...@yahoo.fr ---
Okay, in French version, it's Kio (Kibi-octet), Mio (Mégi-octet). The French
community has already decided.

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