[Bug 60188] Changes to VisualEditor on eswiki as result of vote
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60188 James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added Status|PATCH_TO_REVIEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |FIXED --- Comment #15 from James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org --- This is now done. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 60188] Changes to VisualEditor on eswiki as result of vote
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[Bug 60188] Changes to VisualEditor on eswiki as result of vote
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[Bug 60188] Changes to VisualEditor on eswiki as result of vote
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60188 --- Comment #12 from James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org --- Understood. Thank you for the responses. I have adjusted the configuration change to correct for these issues as much as we can. I will now ask my colleagues to find a time that we can make these changes. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 60188] Changes to VisualEditor on eswiki as result of vote
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60188 --- Comment #13 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it --- (In reply to comment #11) Finally, even if they had nothing to do with the VisualEditor, several users have meant to note that more economics and human resources should be focuses on fixing existing problems such us the FastButtons —it was disabled weeks ago because a security breach—, the cellular phone and portable devices editing softwares, etc. Indeed beyond the scope of a bug: I've copied this to https://www.mediawiki.org/?diff=902629oldid=892609 . It would be useful if those users (or other users who understand Spanish and read their comments) could elaborate/continue the discussion there, I think. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 60188] Changes to VisualEditor on eswiki as result of vote
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60188 --- Comment #14 from Albertojuanse albertojuansebast...@gmail.com --- Thank you very much, James. If you have any doubt, ask us here or there: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Caf%C3%A9/Archivo/Noticias/Actual#Acuse_de_recibo. Regards. _ And thanks, Nemo. Maybe I could convince some of my 'tech collegues' on esWikipedia to take part in the discussion there. Greetings. _ Thank you all. Albertojuanse. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 60188] Changes to VisualEditor on eswiki as result of vote
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60188 --- Comment #11 from Albertojuanse albertojuansebast...@gmail.com --- (In reply to comment #8) Finally, I am able to aswer the questions. Thank you for the waiting. The talk about the answers is here (in Spanish): https://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Caf%C3%A9/Archivo/Noticias/Actualoldid=72405348#Preguntas The aswers can be also be read here (in English): https://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Caf%C3%A9/Archivo/Noticias/Actualoldid=72405348#Respuestas Greetings. _ 1. When you say VE should now be opt-in, what should happen to the accounts that have been using VE? Should they be opted-in, or just left stranded without VisualEditor? Should the default for new accounts be to have to find VisualEditor to switch it on? As a consequence of the votation, the opt-in must be disabled; and thus it will be enabled by those who want to use it. The proper announcements will be made in order that noone overlook this change. And, that is correct, the new users will have to get informed —or they will be informed if they ask for help— about the different tools available in esWikipedia, which are not less useful and important that this one: our spelling checker, the PopUps or FastButtons, etc. _ 2. You want the labels to be Edit for wikitext and Editor Visual for VisualEditor? Which way around should they go? (Right now eswiki has VE as the primary/first tab, but we could change it to secondary/second tab if you think it would be a good change. However, that would be a bit odd to do as well as Fully right, if the user enables the VE, the label Edit —Editar— should be the wikitext's one and the Editor Visual should be the VisualEditor one. Regarding to the labeling way once the VE is activated, the community was not asked about that in the votation; although most of the users have pronounced in favour of using the second label for Editor Visual —Visual Editor—. However, proceed as you see best. _ 3. Also on the labels of the tabs, in general, we're not happy with the beta superscript note and we were planning to get rid of it in the next few weeks. I don't think it makes sense for an opt-in system with two warnings about the software being beta to have a third, and it doesn't work very well in Firefox and some other platforms due to browser bugs. In esWikipedia, the beta superscript has never been implemented, so we ignored its flaws. Besides, when the votation was proposed there were any warning about the software being beta, so it is logical that the community would desired to implement the beta warning. Be that as it may, our desires are limited by the technical viability of those, although this beta labeling it is still desired. _ 4. What is the plan to inform users who have been using VisualEditor as to the disruption? Particularly, what is the plan for anonymous editors (who can't opt-in)? About 20% of edits by anonymous users have been through VisualEditor to date, and this is likely to confuse them. Will be developed the same action plan that was developed when the VisualEditor was implemented, id est, it will be announce in our Café de noticias —Village pump (news)— and the guide Wikipedia:VisualEditor. Besides, we all will beware in order to solve the doubts from users and help them in this issue. _ 5. What is the plan for returning to use VisualEditor as the primary editor? What changes or fixes would you like to see? When the tool have been fully finished, and the developers let us know this situation, the entire community will be asked again about this issue. At the time, if there is consensus about its implementation, it will be enabled; if not, there will be another votation about the VisualEditor. Please also note that in a votation, the enable option must reach 2/3 of the votes to be enabled. Regarding to the second question, several users are already working with the VisualEditor and they are reporting their feedback to the developers; so when it will be reported that the software has not structural flaws and that the use experience is acceptable, we will let you know. Also, there has been an interest in solving all the incompatibilities with other mod and opt-in softwares, although it is known that some of them are already fixed. Finally, even if they had nothing to do with the VisualEditor, several users have meant to note that more economics and human resources should be focuses on fixing existing problems such us the FastButtons —it was disabled weeks ago because a security breach—, the cellular phone and portable devices
[Bug 60188] Changes to VisualEditor on eswiki as result of vote
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60188 --- Comment #9 from This, that and the other at.li...@live.com.au --- Shouldn't these big questions be brought up with the entire eswiki community, rather than on Bugzilla where only the single community member who filed the bug will see? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 60188] Changes to VisualEditor on eswiki as result of vote
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60188 Albertojuanse albertojuansebast...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||albertojuansebastian@gmail. ||com --- Comment #10 from Albertojuanse albertojuansebast...@gmail.com --- (In reply to comment #9) Indeed. We are already discussing the answers in our Café (Village pump). In fact, in a few days (2 or 3) we will be able to give you the answers, since it seems that we are reaching consensus. Greetings. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 60188] Changes to VisualEditor on eswiki as result of vote
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60188 --- Comment #8 from James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org --- Some questions and points (sorry for being slow; I've been on leave, returning next week): 1. When you say VE should now be opt-in, what should happen to the accounts that have been using VE? Should they be opted-in, or just left stranded without VisualEditor? Should the default for new accounts be to have to find VisualEditor to switch it on? 2. You want the labels to be Edit for wikitext and Editor Visual for VisualEditor? Which way around should they go? (Right now eswiki has VE as the primary/first tab, but we could change it to secondary/second tab if you think it would be a good change. However, that would be a bit odd to do as well as the opt-in, and is more an alternative. 3. Also on the labels of the tabs, in general, we're not happy with the beta superscript note and we were planning to get rid of it in the next few weeks. I don't think it makes sense for an opt-in system with two warnings about the software being beta to have a third, and it doesn't work very well in Firefox and some other platforms due to browser bugs. 4. What is the plan to inform users who have been using VisualEditor as to the disruption? Particularly, what is the plan for anonymous editors (who can't opt-in)? About 20% of edits by anonymous users have been through VisualEditor to date, and this is likely to confuse them. 5. What is the plan for returning to use VisualEditor as the primary editor? What changes or fixes would you like to see? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 60188] Changes to VisualEditor on eswiki as result of vote
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[Bug 60188] Changes to VisualEditor on eswiki as result of vote
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[Bug 60188] Changes to VisualEditor on eswiki as result of vote
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60188 --- Comment #7 from Gerrit Notification Bot gerritad...@wikimedia.org --- Change 109639 had a related patch set uploaded by TTO: Move VisualEditor to secondary status on eswiki https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/109639 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 60188] Changes to VisualEditor on eswiki as result of vote
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60188 This, that and the other at.li...@live.com.au changed: What|Removed |Added Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW CC||at.li...@live.com.au Ever confirmed|0 |1 --- Comment #6 from This, that and the other at.li...@live.com.au --- Just to explain: This request is easy, except for the desire to have the VisualEditor tab labelled Editor Visual supBETA/sup. It is not currently possible to label the VisualEditor tab differently from the regular Edit tab (other than the appending of a BETA suffix), this would appear to require an alteration to the VisualEditor software itself. The remaining three points of the request can be fulfilled easily, I think. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 60188] Changes to VisualEditor on eswiki as result of vote
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60188 --- Comment #5 from LlamaAl llamaal_wi...@yahoo.es --- I want to clarify something: the BETA part in the name of the Visual Editor tab should appear in small and superscript text, as shown in this diff [1]. [1] https://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AZona_de_pruebas%2F5diff=72006555oldid=71969129 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 60188] Changes to VisualEditor on eswiki as result of vote
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60188 LlamaAl llamaal_wi...@yahoo.es changed: What|Removed |Added CC||llamaal_wi...@yahoo.es --- Comment #1 from LlamaAl llamaal_wi...@yahoo.es --- After the conclusion of https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Votaciones/2014/Sobre_el_Editor_Visual on the Spanish Wikipedia, some changes to the status of VE in that project have to be implemented: 1. VE should now be opt-in 2. The edit tab should return to wikitext 3. VE should be presented as part of Beta Features 4. The tab for VE, if users activate it, should be Editor VisualBETA Regards, -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 60188] Changes to VisualEditor on eswiki as result of vote
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60188 --- Comment #3 from Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com --- (In reply to comment #1) 4. The tab for VE, if users activate it, should be Editor VisualBETA Note that this is different from the enwiki config (the rest of the request is the same). On enwiki: * users who have VE disabled only see one tab, labeled Edit, that points to the source editor * for users who have VE enabled, this tab is labeled Edit source instead * additionally, they have a VE tab labeled EditBETA * the VE tab appears after (to the right of) the source editor tab For eswiki, #4 in the request asks us to implement the third bullet point differently, by labeling the VE tab Editor VisualBETA rather than EditarBETA. So what should happen to the source editor tab for users who have VE enabled? Should it be labeled Editar código (as it is now, and would be with an enwiki-like configuration), or as Editar, or ... ? Should it appear before or after the source editor tab (right now it's before, with an enwiki-like configuration it would be after). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 60188] Changes to VisualEditor on eswiki as result of vote
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60188 --- Comment #2 from Jackmcbarn jackmcbarn+w...@gmail.com --- *** Bug 60189 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 60188] Changes to VisualEditor on eswiki as result of vote
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60188 --- Comment #4 from LlamaAl llamaal_wi...@yahoo.es --- (In reply to comment #3) (In reply to comment #1) 4. The tab for VE, if users activate it, should be Editor VisualBETA Note that this is different from the enwiki config (the rest of the request is the same). On enwiki: * users who have VE disabled only see one tab, labeled Edit, that points to the source editor * for users who have VE enabled, this tab is labeled Edit source instead * additionally, they have a VE tab labeled EditBETA * the VE tab appears after (to the right of) the source editor tab For eswiki, #4 in the request asks us to implement the third bullet point differently, by labeling the VE tab Editor VisualBETA rather than EditarBETA. So what should happen to the source editor tab for users who have VE enabled? Should it be labeled Editar código (as it is now, and would be with an enwiki-like configuration), or as Editar, or ... ? Should it appear before or after the source editor tab (right now it's before, with an enwiki-like configuration it would be after). In the case a user enables VE, the source editor tab should remain as Editar, and a new tab labeled Editor VisualBETA should appear after it. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 60188] Changes to VisualEditor on eswiki as result of vote
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[Bug 60188] Changes to VisualEditor on eswiki as result of vote
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