[Bug 8732] Sorttable table doesn't sort properly strings with German umlaut characters

2011-09-04 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8732

Krinkle  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Keywords|need-unittest   |
 Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED
 Depends on|30674   |
 Resolution||DUPLICATE

--- Comment #20 from Krinkle  2011-09-04 15:22:29 UTC ---
Marking as duplicate of bug 30674.

There is no point in having lots of separate bugs for adding support for
language X in our javascript tablesorter. When we do it, we'll keep this
sorting collation central (ie. not hacked up in javascript separately), that
way we can use the sorting for other applications as well.

The bug to expose the collation of the current wiki's language or config to
javascript (and therewith to jquery.tablesorter) is bug 30674.

The sorting collations themselfs is bug 30673.

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 30674 ***

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[Bug 8732] Sorttable table doesn't sort properly strings with German umlaut characters

2011-09-04 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8732

Krinkle  changed:

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 Blocks|30674   |
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[Bug 8732] Sorttable table doesn't sort properly strings with German umlaut characters

2011-09-03 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8732

Siebrand  changed:

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[Bug 8732] Sorttable table doesn't sort properly strings with German umlaut characters

2011-06-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8732

Brion Vibber  changed:

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   Keywords||need-unittest
 Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED
 Resolution|FIXED   |

--- Comment #19 from Brion Vibber  2011-06-22 20:02:53 UTC 
---
r86088 is seriously broken and may get reverted; reopening. Needs unit tests
(see initial basic unit tests in r90595 which show up errors; will also need
tests for the particular case this bug is about.)

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[Bug 8732] Sorttable table doesn't sort properly strings with German umlaut characters

2011-04-17 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8732

Roan Kattouw  changed:

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--- Comment #18 from Roan Kattouw  2011-04-17 08:27:47 
UTC ---
(In reply to comment #16)
> It's will probably be in the 1.19 release -> so it will take at least ~4-5
> months.
I personally think we should be deploying more often than we release, but
that's a discussion we're still having. So I guess 4 months is worst-case.

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[Bug 8732] Sorttable table doesn't sort properly strings with German umlaut characters

2011-04-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8732

--- Comment #17 from Stefan Nowak  2011-04-16 09:36:06 UTC ---
Oh dear! That's a long time to wait for such a good feature improvement! :-(
Any chances for an earlier activation?

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[Bug 8732] Sorttable table doesn't sort properly strings with German umlaut characters

2011-04-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8732

--- Comment #16 from DieBuche  2011-04-16 09:31:32 UTC ---
It's will probably be in the 1.19 release -> so it will take at least ~4-5
months.

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[Bug 8732] Sorttable table doesn't sort properly strings with German umlaut characters

2011-04-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8732

--- Comment #15 from Stefan Nowak  2011-04-16 09:29:23 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #14)
Great!!! Thanks @DieBuche!

When does this bugfix get live?
I made a test table, and as of now, it did not yet work:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:PutzfetzenORG/Sortierbare_Tabelle

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[Bug 8732] Sorttable table doesn't sort properly strings with German umlaut characters

2011-04-15 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8732

DieBuche  changed:

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 CC||diebu...@gmail.com
 Resolution||FIXED

--- Comment #14 from DieBuche  2011-04-15 08:38:43 UTC ---
Fixed in r86088 
E.g. tableSorterCollation = {'ä':'ae', 'ß':'ss'};

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[Bug 8732] Sorttable table doesn't sort properly strings with German umlaut characters

2011-02-01 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8732

--- Comment #13 from Niklas Laxström  2011-02-01 
16:00:22 UTC ---
data-* is already allowed and the sorttable code reads data-sort-value.

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[Bug 8732] Sorttable table doesn't sort properly strings with German umlaut characters

2011-01-31 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8732

Philippe Verdy  changed:

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   Platform|Macintosh   |All
 OS/Version|Mac OS X 10.4   |All

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[Bug 8732] Sorttable table doesn't sort properly strings with German umlaut characters

2011-01-31 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8732

--- Comment #12 from Philippe Verdy  2011-01-31 22:19:51 
UTC ---
OK jquery makes this cleaner to manage, but this does not solve the general
problem of correct locale-specific collation orders, because jQuery still does
not handle any tailored collation comparator.

The main problem is still there: if it's computationally expensive to create
such collator in IE, the alternative will be to have the collation keys
computed on the server side, using AJAX, even if the set of strings (from which
the collation keys will be computed) is retrieved from the DOM using AJAX.

The server-side script could either return the collation keys as an array from
an array of source strings (that could then be stored in an hidden data field
of sortable cells, so that these keys will be AJAX-requested only once), or a
compact index of integers saying how to reposition the elements in the
AJAX-submitted string.

Anyway, I still think that AJAX would just make the page much slower to respond
to sort requests. On the opposite, the tables could be generated with hidden
data already containing all the collation keys where appropriate. But it could
still be a good fallback option, if support on the client-side is not possible
in some browsers (jQuery could help detecting when Ajax will be required, and
when the collator can be fully written in Javascript to run on the client
side).

For now, the current jQuery solution assumes that the sort key gets computed
from the visible strings in each cell, but it should allow taking the sort keys
from an hidden data field in the same cell (using the "custom sort" solution
described in the article, this is not really possible as the source is only the
cell's inner text content).

I think that the jQuery team should start a project to create a portable
client-side collator (with such fallback to a server side Ajax+JSON script, the
server-side collator being able to use any kind of server language: in PHP, or
Perl, or C with ICU, or Ruby... and not necessarily the same server as the one
serving the web pages using jQuery : Google for example has developped a
reusable Google API to do that, just like it has developed an open webfont
server API usable in Google Documents or in any other site).

To be allowed to generate the collation sort keys directly within the HTML of
the table, we should still have a MediaWiki builtin function that can be called
when appropriate, to generate a binary-sortable string that can be used
directly from the standard "<=" operator of Javascript. So jQuery would just
have to use this comparator (and this would not be computationally intensive in
any browser, and could work on smartphones).

The builtin MediaWiki parser function to compute the collation keys would just
need two parameters: the source text, and a locale id. There already exists the
code needed in ICU4C, already integrable in PHP (look for ICU4PHP), and that
can be used in a MediaWiki extension to create the necessary parser function
with minimal efforts.

I even bet that native integration of ICU will become standard in the PHP core
distribution, because it will allow better interoperability between
heterogeneous database engines for sorting data, and will remove the
interoperability problems caused by the implicit need of support within the
native C libraries used on each system for which PHP was compiled.

Note that HTML5 has standardized the "dataset" feature, i.e. a normative naming
scheme that allows hiding one or several data elements as additional attributes
of any kind of elements.

The "dataset" works for classic HTML, as long as you don't need a strict DTD
where all attribute names must be declared; but given that the DTD declaration
is completely deprecated in HTML5 (and the support of the dataset feature is
mandatory for HTML5 compliance), this is not an issue.

For XML/XHTML, you may use an external DTD or XML Schema to declare these
"data-*" attribute names, but this would not work with MediaWiki that won't
allow you to add such declaration ; but MediaWiki does not use the HTML Strict
model, and we could still be compatible with XHTML by adding a standard default
"data-collation-key" attribute name declaration in the generated document, if
pages are not served in HTML5 ; if pages are served in HTML5, nothing is
required, we don't need any declaration.

(I don't know if MediaWiki can selectively generate HTML5, or XHTML with XML
Schema, or XHTML with DTD, or HTML4, depending on the query capabilities of the
source browser ; my opinion is that it should be able to do that, as easily as
it can create HTML specially tuned for limited smartphones, or pages rendered
in WAP or iMode format for older phones, or pages for accessibility devices
like Aural/Braille renderers... or pages in other future standard formats, or
less open formats with other user-interactivity types such as PDF, Flash,
SilverLight... which may come up and would require speci

[Bug 8732] Sorttable table doesn't sort properly strings with German umlaut characters

2011-01-31 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8732

Siebrand  changed:

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   Keywords||i18n
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[Bug 8732] Sorttable table doesn't sort properly strings with German umlaut characters

2010-07-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8732

Derk-Jan Hartman  changed:

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--- Comment #11 from Derk-Jan Hartman  2010-07-30 
22:54:20 CEST ---
In Bug 8028, I have suggested to replace our sorting code with a jquery plugin
http://tablesorter.com/

This plugin also allows to define custom sorting filters, so specific
collations can probably be easily added to that plugin (though they might be
computational intensive, esp. on IE, i'm guessing).

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[Bug 8732] Sorttable table doesn't sort properly strings with German umlaut characters

2010-04-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8732

--- Comment #10 from Stefan Nowak  2010-04-14 15:47:55 BST ---
Honestly, your writing, Philippe Verdy, is beyond the scope of my knowledge, as
I know little about database, collation, etc.

From the little I understood, sorting seems to be really a complicated issue,
especially for some Alphabet systems, and even more, if you mix them.

I therefore suggest to start simple with a short term solution and then
progress to the more sustainable solution.

SHORT TERM SOLUTION:

I guess the extended latin collation rules could really be solved client-side,
without slowing the script down too much. Right? I really know little, maybe
the Slavic or Scandinavian special characters are already hard, but at least
French accents and German Umlauts could be easily fixed in a first patch.

LONG TERM SOLUTION:

1) The sorting-code-base (mix of client/server side
scripts/database-tables/etc) is written CENTRALLY for all MediaWikis. Simply
for reasons of code sharing, as many functions/objects are likely to be
universally used.

2)a) The collation rulesets shall be SEPERATEDLY defined, CENTRALLY PER EACH
LANGUAGE Wiki (de,fr,en,he,ru,...), as languages have there different sorting
rules for their native words, and for foreign words.

b) It is designed in an intelligent plug-in approach. The ruleset may only
define a limited amount of Unicode characters (its own languages, plus maybe
the characters of its historical related cultures (pre globalisation) for which
it has developed sorting rules, i.e. Austrian lexicographical order aware of
French accents and  Czechoslowakian Háčeks), and handing over
responsibility/trust of the Unicode ranges of languages, which it doesn't know
how to handle (i.e. Hebrew) by running their ruleset-plug-in.

I guess 2a)b) is already pretty developed in Database applications, its rather
just the question of how to integrate it properly, to satisfy the concept
described above.

CONCERNING PERFORMANCE:

I advocate that the SortKeys are already calculated server-side, and that the
client side script then only needs to sort numerically.

(Offtopic remark: By this we could also offer to sort tables by multiple keys,
with very little client processing power. My search for "multiple, many,
search, keys" in the BugTracker did not show any results, but it's possible
that people would like it.)

As agreed: At best automatically without the need for human effort, only where
necessary human added exceptions.

I imagine it as shown in this ASCII diagram table:

Name   |SK| Einwohner |SK| Staat   | SK
London | 1| 7.554.236 | 1| Vereinigtes Königreich  |  3
München| 2| 1.365.052 | 3| Deutschland |  1
Wien   | 3| 1.697.982 | 2| Österreich {Oesterreich}|  2


In the Wiki markup we got the 3 columns "Name, Einwohner, Staat". The users
only write the Unicode words as they are used too such as "München,
Österreich", knowingly that MediaWiki cares about the SortKeys.

And only if they know that the default sort-algorithm will conflict or make no
sense, they can add the SortKey attribute. In my example shown as {Oesterreich}
(approach Ö gets Oe) instead of the expected ruleset Ö gets O, as defined in
the German collation ruleset.

In the HTML/Javascript served to the browser, those additional SK value columns
are supplied. Invisible to the user, but used by the client side script.

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[Bug 8732] Sorttable table doesn't sort properly strings with German umlaut characters

2010-04-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #9 from Philippe Verdy  2010-04-14 12:11:49 UTC 
---
Anyway, the effort is not so dramatic (at least for Latin languages, and even
for Cyrillic or Greek).

It is however dramatic for Hebrew, Arabic, Chinese or Korean, where sort keys
are extremely difficult to create or infer correctly and because they need to
be specified absolutely everywhere: the simple binary order of Unicode code
point values means absolutely nothing for these scripts. This should be
automated as much as possible.

A builtin parserfunction for computing collation keys is just the start of the
surface but this effort will pay. In the MediaWiki software, this means
integrating the open-sourced ICU library and its now standardized interface
layer to PHP.

Other solutions, based on the underlying SQL engine will not work as
universally (in addition, this causes severe mainernance problems for the SQL
engine : let's keep the binary sort order in SQL, and allow instad the
preparation of separate indexes for the same categories : it will be
SQL-agnostic, and will work with various SQL engines that can already be used
with MediaWiki, not just MySQL whose Unicode support is minimalist and really
not portable).

This situation will persist as long as there's no international and
vendor-neutral ISO standard for SQL engines, and support for this standard in
all major SQL engines, and with compatible collation data across SQL engines,
which can also create colaltion keys and order consistant with PHP server-side
or may be client-side implementations (much later, if a similar standard is
adopted in ECMAScript).

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[Bug 8732] Sorttable table doesn't sort properly strings with German umlaut characters

2010-04-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #8 from Philippe Verdy  2010-04-14 12:00:18 UTC 
---
You're true, I still wait for a builtin parser function that can convert any
string (purged from the HTML/XML formatting) into a binary sortable collation
key (even if it's not readable, but still prses OK as a valid Unicode
plain-text string).

Performing true collation on the client side would require much more extensive
work and would imply much more compatibility and performance problems when
implementing it in a Javascript function (this is possible but would be
horribly slow for the site navigation, when such collation keys can be informed
and cached on the server side).

This would also help fixing the collation order of entries added in categories.
One problem is to have a builtin parser function that can create collection
keys according to specific languages (not necessarily the main language of the
wiki): the collation order in categories should, by default, reflect the
collation order expected for categories specific to the language they index
(notably in Wiktionary: yuo won't sort the English/French categories like
German, Swedish, Hindi, Chinese, Korean categories). Finally, there shoud also
exist a way to:
* either index a category by multiple collations (for Chinese notably: by
radical/stroke, or by pinyin : two separate categories ?)
* or offer to users a way to change the presentation order of the same
categories (for languages that need multiple ones like Chinese), by setting up
the category page with a list of additional collation orders that can be
queried directly from the server, using the suer's preference or a user
selection via a link containing an addtional HTTP query parameter, such as:
** "http://.../wiki/Category:...?collate=zh-Latn"; for Pinyin,
** "http://.../wiki/Category:...?collate=zh-Hani"; for traditional
radical/stroke order
(this should however be cachable, and should be honored by the server, for
performance reasons, only if the category page was prepared with a list of
possible collation orders, the default collation being based on the Unicode's
DUCET, or possibly on the collation rules for the main language of the wiki if
it's a localized wiki and not an international multilingual wiki like Commons,
which should still use the DUCET by default, i.e. the collation order for the
"root" locale in Unicode's CLDR database)

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[Bug 8732] Sorttable table doesn't sort properly strings with German umlaut characters

2010-04-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8732

--- Comment #7 from Stefan Nowak  2010-04-14 11:59:23 BST ---
You did not mention, that you yourself fixed the page I stated as an example:
http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=73005824
Edited by Verdy P! Thanks!!!

The status-quo of sortable-tables has clearly improvement to before!
Nevertheless, still too much human effort necessary!

I'd prefer a less labor-intensive solution:
1) The script is intelligent enough to sort ANY table according to a CENTRALLY
defined ruleset, regardless of whether it uses basic Latin only, extended
Latin, or even Non-Latin characters if sorting-rules can be defined.
2) Human intervention is only required, if you want an EXCEPTION for a
particular table-cell to the general ruleset, where your individually generated
SortKey makes more sense.

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[Bug 8732] Sorttable table doesn't sort properly strings with German umlaut characters

2010-04-13 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #6 from Philippe Verdy  2010-04-13 18:06:52 UTC 
---
This works on the listed German page, provided that you feed the sort keys (see
the example filled in that page)

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[Bug 8732] Sorttable table doesn't sort properly strings with German umlaut characters

2010-04-10 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #5 from Stefan Nowak  2010-04-10 19:21:39 BST ---
(In reply to comment #2)

> 1) Go to: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_größten_Städte_der_EU
> 2) Sort the table by "Staat" (German for "State/Country").
> 3) "Österreich" (German for "Austria") will be on the bottom, instead of being
> sorted as an "O".

Issue still unsolved.

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[Bug 8732] Sorttable table doesn't sort properly strings with German umlaut characters

2009-11-19 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8732


Philippe Verdy  changed:

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--- Comment #4 from Philippe Verdy   2009-11-19 19:56:33 
UTC ---
All this looks like part of the more general bug about collation (currently in
bug #64, except that it just covers the server-side aspects of collation for
sorting and navigating the content of categories).

Here, the dynamic sort of tables is a client-side issue, that has to be solved
in the Javascript plugins, almost completely out of MediaWiki itself: these
customized scripts and standard gadgets are to be localized in Javascript on
each wiki according to the  languages they support (but good UCA
implementations in Javascript, that also support language-dependant tailorings,
including on multilingual tables, are still hard if not impossible to find,
except on some browsers that have added methods to their core packages for
strings and text).

Is there an implementation of ICU algorithms ported to Javascript and that
allow easy customization with tailored tables (possibly through AJAX to
retrieve language-dependant scripts and not all the many collation tables), and
that are not too slow for many browsers?


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[Bug 8732] Sorttable table doesn't sort properly strings with German umlaut characters

2009-04-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8732


Niklas Laxström  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC||niklas.laxst...@gmail.com
   Keywords|need-review, patch  |




--- Comment #3 from Niklas Laxström   2009-04-07 
09:08:51 UTC ---
Patch does not apply. Code moved into wikibits.js and contains:
function ts_sort_generic(a, b) {
return a[1] < b[1] ? -1 : a[1] > b[1] ? 1 : a[2] - b[2];
}

Can someone make a new patch?


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