Re: [Wikidata] Importing Freebase (Was: next Wikidata office hour)

On 9/28/15 2:36 PM, Paul Houle wrote: > Anyhow, there is this funny little thing that the gap between "5 > cents" and free is bigger than the gap between "5 cents" and $1000, > so you have the Bloombergs and Elseviers of the world charging $1000 > for what somebody could provide for much less. T

Re: [Wikidata] Importing Freebase (Was: next Wikidata office hour)

Thanks, that sounds like it will be useful. Is there a date for when this will happen? On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Denny Vrandečić wrote: > > I hope that will help with most of the questions that are open. I am sorry > we appeared intransparent - this was certainly not our intention. We we

Re: [Wikidata] Importing Freebase (Was: next Wikidata office hour)

Hi Tom, we are in the process of writing a document and preparing a release of the whole pipieline. Tpt only finished his internship a few weeks ago, and things simply take a bit of time to go through the review processes. The release of the data and the document should allow for the insights you

Re: [Wikidata] Importing Freebase (Was: next Wikidata office hour)

Thanks for creating a dedicated thread, Markus. It saddens me to see this opportunity squandered and I'd love to be able to help, but I find the project so opaque that it's difficult to find a way to engage. Perhaps it's just an artifact of the lack of transparency, but the current approach seems

Re: [Wikidata] Importing Freebase (Was: next Wikidata office hour)

Tpt did take a few datasets that have a high-enough quality from the Freebase dataset and uploaded it directly. These numbers do not appear in the Primary Sources tool, because they were uploaded directly - each set going through the normal community process. The Primary Sources Tool is left with

Re: [Wikidata] Importing Freebase (Was: next Wikidata office hour)

Denny Vrandečić, 28/09/2015 23:27: Actually, my suggestion would be to switch on Primary Sources as a default tool for everyone. Yes, it's a desirable aim to have one-click suggested actions (à la Wikidata game) embedded into items for everyone. As for this tool, unrelatedly from the data use

Re: [Wikidata] Importing Freebase (Was: next Wikidata office hour)

On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > I have seen the statistics. The quality of Freebase cannot be understood by > simply looking at the problems. People have been looking for problems and > been identifying them. As a consequence more data ended up in the error > bucke

Re: [Wikidata] Importing Freebase (Was: next Wikidata office hour)

Hoi, I have seen the statistics. The quality of Freebase cannot be understood by simply looking at the problems. People have been looking for problems and been identifying them. As a consequence more data ended up in the error bucket than in the good bucket. I have for instance added a lot of state

Re: [Wikidata] Importing Freebase (Was: next Wikidata office hour)

Yes! +1 On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 11:27 PM, Denny Vrandečić wrote: > Actually, my suggestion would be to switch on Primary Sources as a default > tool for everyone. That should increase exposure and turnover, without > compromising quality of data. > > > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 2:23 PM Denny Vra

Re: [Wikidata] Importing Freebase (Was: next Wikidata office hour)

Hoi, So far no argument is given why the primary sources tool WOULD work. People will be interested in curating Wikidata. People will not be interested in checking the primary sources tool one item / statement at a time. It is a numbers game; there is too much to do in this way. I know that compar

Re: [Wikidata] Importing Freebase (Was: next Wikidata office hour)

Thomas Steiner, 28/09/2015 23:32: Note: as far as I can tell, the stats available at https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-primary-sources/status.html so far do not differentiate between "fact wrong" (as in "Barack Obama is president of Croatia" [fact wrong]) and "source wrong" ("Barack Obama is pr

Re: [Wikidata] Importing Freebase (Was: next Wikidata office hour)

If we want more domain-specific wikidata curators we absolutely have to improve the flow of: (1) viewing an article on Wikipedia (2) discovering the associated item on wikidata (3) making useful contributions to the item and the items surrounding it in the graph That little link on the side of eve

Re: [Wikidata] Importing Freebase (Was: next Wikidata office hour)

I would like to add old URLs that seems to be a source but does not reference anything in the claim. For example in an item about a person, the name or the birth date of the person does not appear on the page still the page is used as a source for the persons birth date. On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 1

Re: [Wikidata] Importing Freebase (Was: next Wikidata office hour)

Hi! > I see that 19.6k statements have been approved through the tool, and > 5.1k statements have been rejected - which means that about 1 in 5 > statements is deemed unsuitable by the users of primary sources. From my (limited) experience with Primary Sources, there are several kinds of things t

Re: [Wikidata] Importing Freebase (Was: next Wikidata office hour)

Hi all, Note: as far as I can tell, the stats available at https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-primary-sources/status.html so far do not differentiate between "fact wrong" (as in "Barack Obama is president of Croatia" [fact wrong]) and "source wrong" ("Barack Obama is president of the United States

Re: [Wikidata] Importing Freebase (Was: next Wikidata office hour)

Actually, my suggestion would be to switch on Primary Sources as a default tool for everyone. That should increase exposure and turnover, without compromising quality of data. On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 2:23 PM Denny Vrandečić wrote: > Hi Gerard, > > given the statistics you cite from > > https:/

Re: [Wikidata] Importing Freebase (Was: next Wikidata office hour)

I think more fundamentally there is the issue that Wikidata doesn't serve end users well because the end users are not paying for it. (Contrast an NGO that would be doing things for people in Africa without asking the people what they want as opposed to a commercial operation that is going to fly

Re: [Wikidata] Importing Freebase (Was: next Wikidata office hour)

Hi Gerard, given the statistics you cite from https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-primary-sources/status.html I see that 19.6k statements have been approved through the tool, and 5.1k statements have been rejected - which means that about 1 in 5 statements is deemed unsuitable by the users of pri

Re: [Wikidata] Importing Freebase (Was: next Wikidata office hour)

Another; make a kind of worklist on Wikidata that reflect the watchlist on the clients (Wikipedias) but then, we often have items on our watchlist that we don't know much about. (Digression: Somehow we should be able to sort out those things we know (the place we live, the persons we have meet) fro

Re: [Wikidata] Importing Freebase (Was: next Wikidata office hour)

Could it be possible to create some kind of info (notification?) in a wikipedia article that additional data is available in a queue ("freebase") somewhere? If you have the article on your watch-list, then you will get a warning that says "You lazy boy, get your ass over here and help us out!" Or

Re: [Wikidata] Importing Freebase (Was: next Wikidata office hour)

Hi! Thank you Thad for your support! First some pieces of news about the current progress: The work on Primary Sources and the Freebase mapping is currently on hold since the last day of my Google internship (in late August). We have already a lot (13.7M) statements in the Primary Sources tool

Re: [Wikidata] Importing Freebase (Was: next Wikidata office hour)

Gerard, Why do you spend so much energy on criticising the work of other volunteers and companies that want to help Wikidata? Switching off Primary Sources would not achieve any progress towards what you want. I have made some proposals in my email on what else could be done to speed things u

Re: [Wikidata] Importing Freebase (Was: next Wikidata office hour)

Hi Thad, thanks for your support. I think this can be really useful. Now just to clarify: I am not developing or maintaining the Primary Sources tool, I just want to see more Freebase data being migrated :-) I think making the mapping more complete is clearly necessary and valuable, but maybe

Re: [Wikidata] Importing Freebase (Was: next Wikidata office hour)

Markus, Lydia... It looks like TPT had another page where the WD Properties were being mapped to Freebase here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Freebase/Mapping Do you need help in filling that out more ? Thad +ThadGuidry __

Re: [Wikidata] Importing Freebase (Was: next Wikidata office hour)

On Sep 28, 2015 20:03, "Gerard Meijssen" wrote: > > Hoi, > > Sorry I disagree with your analysis. The fundamental issue is not quality and it is not the size of our community. The issue is that we have our priorities wrong. As far as I am concerned the "primary sources tool" is a wrong approach fo

Re: [Wikidata] Importing Freebase (Was: next Wikidata office hour)

Hoi, Sorry I disagree with your analysis. The fundamental issue is not quality and it is not the size of our community. The issue is that we have our priorities wrong. As far as I am concerned the "primary sources tool" is a wrong approach for a dataset like Freebase or DBpedia. What we should co

Re: [Wikidata] Importing Freebase (Was: next Wikidata office hour)

First ... it looks like you REALLY need my help to finish the Freebase mapping ? Hardly anything looks done...and I have the time and knowledge to fill it all in completely... https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Freebase/Class_mapping Markus, do you want me to start on that ? Proba

[Wikidata] Importing Freebase (Was: next Wikidata office hour)

Hi Gerard, hi all, The key misunderstanding here is that the main issue with the Freebase import would be data quality. It is actually community support. The goal of the current slow import process is for the Wikidata community to "adopt" the Freebase data. It's not about "storing" the data so