[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T54564: Allow sitelinks to wikipedia and wikivoyage redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'

kaldari added a comment. @Izno: I'm not sure I completely understand your explanation. Could you provide a theoretical example? Like how would you apply this solution to the "Bonnie and Clyde problem"? How would you apply it to the "hatmaker/hatmaking problem"? TASK DETAIL https://phabricato

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T54564: Allow sitelinks to wikipedia and wikivoyage redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'

Izno added a comment. The client using Wikidata use case for these links using arbitrary access: I can add a template to every redirect that I care about that associates a Q number to that template (presumably the Q number of the item representing the notion of the redirect); with some Javascri

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T54564: Allow sitelinks to wikipedia and wikivoyage redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'

kaldari added a comment. I haven't heard any ideas about how to solve this with arbitrary access. Could anyone elaborate? TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54564 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: kaldari Cc: Oliv0, JanusT

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T54564: Allow sitelinks to wikipedia and wikivoyage redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'

Oliv0 added a subscriber: Oliv0. Oliv0 added a comment. On 10 June 2015 Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) wrote "//On the specific topic //[‎Site links to redirects]//: Various people have said they have

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T54564: Allow sitelinks to wikipedia and wikivoyage redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'

Jane023 added a comment. There have been several RfC's on Wikidata for this issue, most recently this one (closed with no consensus): https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Sitelinks_with_fragments TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54564 EMAIL PREFERENCES

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T54564: Allow sitelinks to wikipedia and wikivoyage redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'

MGChecker added a comment. I think a solution of this bug is really important. It can't be an excuse, that the article could be created, becuase it isn't possible under some conditions. And I really don't like the situation as it is now: At the moment it only matters if the page is a redirect a

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T54564: Allow sitelinks to wikipedia and wikivoyage redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'

He7d3r added a comment. In https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54564#1487641, @Fomafix wrote: > Feel free to create an article > > > See [[kilowatt hour]] > ...and in some wikis it will be deleted, per local policy. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54564 EMAIL PREFERENCES ht

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T54564: Allow sitelinks to wikipedia and wikivoyage redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'

Fomafix added a comment. Feel free to create an article > See [[kilowatt hour]] It has the nearly the same content as > #REDIRECT [[kilowatt hour]] TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54564 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T54564: Allow sitelinks to wikipedia and wikivoyage redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'

Jane023 added a comment. No, the answer is not to create a sitelink to a redirect. The answer is to overhaul the Kilowatt hour article and split it into an article mostly about the history of the measurement and link it to a new short article on Watt hour, which today is but a lowly redirect. Wiki

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T54564: Allow sitelinks to wikipedia and wikivoyage redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'

Fomafix added a comment. The discussion about items without sitelinks is off topic. The topic is items with sitelinks to redirects. Here is an other example which demonstrates that sitelinks to redirects can solve linking problems: Wikidata has Q182098 an

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T54564: Allow sitelinks to wikipedia and wikivoyage redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'

Jane023 added a comment. Try to think of Wikidata in the same context as Wikimedia Commons. A few would probably agree with you that eventually every image will have its own Wikipedia article. I am not one of those people. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54564 EMAIL PREFERENCES

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T54564: Allow sitelinks to wikipedia and wikivoyage redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'

Nemo_bis added a comment. > No, it is fine for items to have zero sitelinks. But you can't win the gravitation to completeness. If there is a page covering the topic, users want it linked; the same can be said about any target wiki. So, I stand by my point: while trying to assert that "Not eve

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T54564: Allow sitelinks to wikipedia and wikivoyage redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'

Zellfaze added a comment. I think it would be preferable though. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54564 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Zellfaze Cc: JanusTroelsen, Blahma, MGChecker, MSGJ, Izno, Nnemo, bzimport, Unknown

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T54564: Allow sitelinks to wikipedia and wikivoyage redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'

Jane023 added a comment. > If you don't want items to be merged, you need the separate items to be able to have sitelinks. No, it is fine for items to have zero sitelinks. Not everything in the Wikiverse revolves around Wikipedia TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54564 EMAIL P

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T54564: Allow sitelinks to wikipedia and wikivoyage redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'

Nemo_bis added a comment. > These items do not match and should not be merged. I'm confused, if this is your goal I think you've been fighting the wrong battle all along. If you don't want items to be merged, you need the separate items to be able to have sitelinks. If you force items to not

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T54564: Allow sitelinks to wikipedia and wikivoyage redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'

Jane023 added a comment. I see that I was unclear in my wording. I wasn't asking about a Wikipedia merge action but a Wikidata merge action. In your examples you are only referring to Wikipedia. The example you give on the football player probably comes closest to the person-duo problem, so I w

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T54564: Allow sitelinks to wikipedia and wikivoyage redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'

Filceolaire added a comment. In https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54564#1278605, @Jane023 wrote: > . My question still stands - why would you want to merge two distinct > Wikidata items to each other, if one was a person and the other is a duo? There are many reasons why wikipedia might w

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T54564: Allow sitelinks to wikipedia and wikivoyage redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'

Jane023 added a comment. What you are describing is a Wikipedia merge action, which is indeed common on Wikipedia for various reasons. However, that does not indicate to me that there is any need for a corresponding merge action on Wikidata, as such a merge does not mean the Wikidata items need

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T54564: Allow sitelinks to wikipedia and wikivoyage redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'

Jane023 added a comment. What you are describing is a Wikipedia merge action, which is indeed common on Wikipedia for various reasons. However, that does not indicate to me that there is any need for a corresponding merge action on Wikidata, as such a merge does not mean the Wikidata items need

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T54564: Allow sitelinks to wikipedia and wikivoyage redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'

Zellfaze added a comment. I can think of one particular situation and that is one in which the community in that particular wiki decides that Bonnie should be merged into Bonnie & Clyde. As things stand right now that would be the policy on many wikis, including English Wikipedia. It is not our

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T54564: Allow sitelinks to wikipedia and wikivoyage redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'

Zellfaze added a comment. I can think of one particular situation and that is one in which the community in that particular wiki decides that Bonnie should be merged into Bonnie & Clyde. As things stand right now that would be the policy on many wikis, including English Wikipedia. It is not our

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T54564: Allow sitelinks to wikipedia and wikivoyage redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'

Jane023 added a comment. Sorry, I can't think of a case where "these "complainers" would then also have to prevent any and all attempts to merge the articles back into whatever article they were split from". In my mind, we are facilitating the growth of articles with a minimum of interwiki-spa

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T54564: Allow sitelinks to wikipedia and wikivoyage redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'

Jane023 added a comment. Sorry, I can't think of a case where "these "complainers" would then also have to prevent any and all attempts to merge the articles back into whatever article they were split from". In my mind, we are facilitating the growth of articles with a minimum of interwiki-spa

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T54564: Allow sitelinks to wikipedia and wikivoyage redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'

SamB added a comment. In https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54564#836125, @Jane023 wrote: > It would be more constructive if the complainers here would just go and > create those articles instead of trying to create interlanguage redirects. Unfortunately, it's not just a matter of **creating**