[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T84902: deploy haedus and capella with os for orientdb testing

2014-12-22 Thread Joe
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Capella only sees one disk, at pci-:01:00.0-scsi-0:2:0:0, this needs 
investigation. Moving the ticket to the codfw queue


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Up For Grabs] T84902: deploy haedus and capella with os for orientdb testing

2014-12-22 Thread Joe
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Claimed] T78267: Package opendjk-8 for trusty

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T85133: Introduce setting to allow import of entities from XML dumps.

2014-12-22 Thread daniel
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  We generally disallow import of entities, since entities imported from other 
wikibase repositories would likely be using different IDs for items and 
properties. This may not only lead to dead links, but cause errors due to 
incompatible property definitions.
  
  However, at least importing into a blank wiki (e.g. restoring from backup or 
setting up a test environment) should be allowed. An easy way to achieve this 
would be to introduce a setting that overrides the code in 
WikibaseHooks::onImportHandleRevisionXMLTag  that prevents the import.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T78267: Package opendjk-8 for trusty

2014-12-22 Thread Joe
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I created the package; I will not upload it to reprepro for now - I want to 
test it, on Titan maybe?


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed CC] T78267: Package opendjk-8 for trusty

2014-12-22 Thread Manybubbles
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I can test it MW vagrant if you'd like.  I have titan downloaded and
building against built from source jdk8.


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T84902: deploy haedus and capella with os for orientdb testing

2014-12-22 Thread RobH
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It seems I accidentally didnt notice and break the raid config setup on 
capella, as it uses an H310.  A quick look confirms haedus does as well.

So now capella is reinstalled with the h310 in bypass mode, presenting the 
disks normally.

So this should be good to go, going to remove the codfw onsite flag, as there 
isn't any onsite work to be done.

If these aren't good for this testing, joe mentioned the old lsearch systems 
would also work.  So this is allocated for the testing, but can be swapped if 
it turns out to not be ideal.


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T84902: deploy haedus and capella with os for orientdb testing

2014-12-22 Thread RobH
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T75813: Investigate OrientDB for WDQ

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Closed] T78267: Package opendjk-8 for trusty

2014-12-22 Thread Joe
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed CC] T84923: Reliable publish / subscribe event bus

2014-12-22 Thread JanZerebecki
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The nature of these event type candidates is such that they are changes with a 
log existing at the provider. The only persistent state that each consuming 
service needs to know is the revision/time up to which it has applied the 
changes. The historic (recent) changes are already kept on the providing 
service, so a solution would not necessarily have to retain those. It is 
probably with a bit of care possible to apply changes out of order and in a way 
that it is idempotent so the consuming service could apply restartable and in 
parallel.

The actual data can be pulled by the consumer from the provider; duplicating it 
in the queue probably has no benefit. I think the only thing here where pub/sub 
brings anything worth is the event that new changes are available to decrease 
latency of updates. Which means only ever one event in queue for all consumers, 
as new events contain all information of the previous ones.

How is the job queue currently not reliable? ( 
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Job_queue_redesign and 
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Job_queue mention other problems but 
nothing regarding reliability problems. )


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Merged] T1095: Investigate Titan for WDQ

2014-12-22 Thread JanZerebecki
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T76373: Evaluate Titan as graph storage/query engine for Wikidata Query service

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed CC] T76373: Evaluate Titan as graph storage/query engine for Wikidata Query service

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T85159: Deploy a Wikidata complex query service into production

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  Create a service which supports complex queries on Wikidata: 
  
  - **external** requests return within a few seconds, use reasonable resources
  - **internal** requests are allowed to use more resources  time
  
  See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikibase/Indexing.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T85159: Deploy a Wikidata complex query service into production

2014-12-22 Thread RobLa-WMF
RobLa-WMF added blocking tasks: T76373: Evaluate Titan as graph storage/query 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T75813: Investigate OrientDB for WDQ

2014-12-22 Thread aaron
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T76827: Image thumbnail urls should be included where applicable in wikidata API response for commonsMedia

2014-12-22 Thread Jdlrobson
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed CC] T35704: GeoData should pull coordinates from Wikidata

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed CC] T85159: Deploy a Wikidata complex query service into production

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Closed] T78662: Change public interface to support multiple Entity types

2014-12-22 Thread JeroenDeDauw
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed CC] T78662: Change public interface to support multiple Entity types

2014-12-22 Thread JeroenDeDauw
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I already resolved this. Relevant commits are linked on GitHub.


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T1095: Investigate Titan for WDQ

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Closed] T85045: Figure out how to detect that claim is updated

2014-12-22 Thread Smalyshev
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We'll use content hash instead of claim ID to detect changes. We'll also use 
lastrevid on the item to track revisions.


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Unblock] T76373: Evaluate Titan as graph storage/query engine for Wikidata Query service

2014-12-22 Thread Smalyshev
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T85173: Investigate Titan supernode issues

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Claimed] T85174: Validate Java 8 package

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T76373: Evaluate Titan as graph storage/query engine for Wikidata Query service

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T1095: Investigate Titan for WDQ

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Unblock] T85159: Deploy a Wikidata complex query service into production

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T85181: Investigate design public API, possibly using MQL

2014-12-22 Thread GWicke
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  We need to investigate  design a public query API. Goals for this API are:
  
  - Easy to build queries with a variety of clients (probably JSON) without 
dealing with low-level issues like escaping.
  - Only expose queries with reasonable resource consumption (CPU and IO,  1 
minute run time?). If this cannot be statically guaranteed, have a way to 
reliably kill long-running queries, ideally before they consume a lot of 
resources.
  
  The Freebase API with [MQL](http://wiki.freebase.com/wiki/MQL) is already in 
use and seems to be useful to existing consumers. See 
http://www.freebase.com/query for an example query editor. With the announced 
integration of Freebase data into wikidata maintaining the same API sounds 
attractive, and could potentially let us reuse existing tools like the query 
editor.
  
  Another option could be to use an existing higher-level query language like 
[SPARQL](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARQL), which also has [a JSON 
serialization](http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-json-res/).

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed CC] T85181: Investigate design public API, possibly using MQL

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T85181: Investigate design public API, possibly using MQL

2014-12-22 Thread Smalyshev
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Are we considering supporting WDQ API mini-language as the option for the 
queries or it's not a viable option?


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T76373: Evaluate Titan as graph storage/query engine for Wikidata Query service

2014-12-22 Thread GWicke
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Re performance and indexing, from a mail thread:
Earlier today Stas  I were looking a bit into what is happening behind the 
scenes in some of the slower queries like 
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikibase/Indexing/Benchmarks#List_of_humans_having_occupation_writer_but_not_author

We found that in a query that uses predicates on more than a single property 
per vertex, the default titan query strategy is to retrieve a list of 
candidates based on the first index (fast), and then load details for each 
vertex in order to filter on the second predicate. This is pretty slow, as it 
involves O(candidates) queries to Cassandra.

I think mixed indexes as documented in 
http://s3.thinkaurelius.com/docs/titan/current/indexes.html#index-mixed should 
help here, as they support efficient matching on an arbitrary combination of 
attributes, along with advanced range and full text queries. They do require an 
indexing backend like Elasticsearch to be configured. Nik, is there an 
Elasticsearch setup we could use, or would it be reasonably easy to spin up a 
new one?

Stas replied:

 I've looked into this matter, and there's one wrinkle in this - mixed indexes 
 now don't support Date and SET fields, which means we can not index 
 everything - some fields (among them frequently used date start/end fields 
 and P*link fields which are SET) would not be indexable with Elastic. They 
 say it's a temporary limitations but so far 0.9 still has it.


Dates are actually interesting re the ranges we need to represent. A signed 
long second resolution unix timestamp (as used by Java Date)nbsp;reaches from 
292269055 BC to 292278994 AD 
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5488038/valid-range-for-java-util-date. 
Not quite enough to represent the current estimates for the Big Bang 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang for example. ISO 8601 timestamps 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601 support much less range, even in the 
six-digit extended mode. Maybe it makes sense to index years separately as a 
long? This will also be fun in JSON.

For SET I could imagine a full-text index on a string with each P*link property 
separated by a space. Elasticsearch should be good at indexing that. Not sure 
how much more complex that would be to maintain compared to the current SET 
index.


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T76373: Evaluate Titan as graph storage/query engine for Wikidata Query service

2014-12-22 Thread Smalyshev
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For SET it won't be more complex to maintain, probably, but I'm not sure if the 
lookups would be fast enough. I could create an additional field for that and 
see how it behaves, and then we could drop the field that is not needed.

For Date, I wonder if support can't be added to Titan, since Elastic AFAIK 
supports dates.

Also, while Java can support negative years, right now the import does not 
support them since the Java parser fails to properly parse them. If we're 
moving to Java 8, there are better date APIs AFAIR, so maybe they allow to 
handle it properly.


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