[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T246814: Wikidata Tours pollutes Recent Changes

2020-11-27 Thread John_Cummings 
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  @matej_suchanek I'm sorry, could explain a bit more? Is this implemented and 
all tour edits will now have this flag?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T246814: Wikidata Tours pollutes Recent Changes

2020-11-27 Thread John_Cummings 
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  In T246814#6652794 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T246814#6652794>, 
@matej_suchanek wrote:
  
  > Exactly, the filter tags **all** edits to tour items. Their list is inside 
the filter and can be amended by a Wikidata admin.
  >
  > However, this does **not** hide the edits from recent changes, watchlists, 
etc. and there is currently no interface for this.
  
  This is great, thanks so much for this, could you edit the description 
explaining what has been done and what could be changed

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T246814: Wikidata Tours pollutes Recent Changes

2020-11-26 Thread John_Cummings 
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  @matej_suchanek @Bovlb how can we find someone who can implement a solution?

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2020-12-01 Thread John_Cummings 
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  In T246814#6653866 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T246814#6653866>, 
@Bovlb wrote:
  
  > I see edits, and I was able to highlight them in recent changes by adding 
the following to my `Common.css`:
  >
  >   .mw-tag-tour-item { background-color: #CCFFCC; }
  >
  > Thanks!
  
  Great, is there anywhere this info could be added for others doing a similar 
thing to you?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T282719: Wikidata tool request: Users can enter an ISBN to see if a Wikidata item exists, if not it makes a new one based on the data available (works like 'Cite' tool on W

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T230315: Allow adding references to structured data on Commons (MediaInfo) statements

2021-05-13 Thread John_Cummings 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T149410: For consistency MediaInfo serialization should use "claims" as key, rather than "statements"

2021-05-14 Thread John_Cummings 
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  Hi @Cparle thanks for replying. I know @Fuzheado @Alicia_Fagerving_WMSE  
@Jopparn @Battleofalma etc will also have thoughts on this.
  
  I'll give you my answer and let other expand on it. I'm basing this on 10 
years of working as Wikimedian in Residence for cultural institutions, UN 
agencies and parts of the EU. The main use case is from my perspective is for 
any content created by external organisations, which runs to 10s of millions of 
files on Commons. Many of these organisations share quite extensive metadata 
with their content way beyond depicts, copyright and author. The main benefits 
I see are the same as for references on Wikipedia, verifiability and credit.
  
  **Wikipedia** 
  Allowing users to know that the metadata comes from an organisation creates a 
level of trust in the information. I think SDC could be widely used and useful 
on Wikipedia but without references to provide verifiability it seems unlikely 
it will get used, in the same way Wikidata data without references are blocked 
on English Wikipedia infoboxes in a lot of situations. Another benefit for 
Wikipedia specifically is to make creating Wikipedia articles for things 
depicted on Commons (eg an object in a museum) easier because the references 
which are collated in SDC can most probably be reused on Wikipedia.
  
  **Organisations sharing content:** 
  Many organisations adopt an open license specifically so they can share it on 
Wikimedia projects, most of my job in the UN the last 5 years has been around 
helping orgs adopt open licenses. Generally speaking organisations who share 
content on Commons want recognition and metrics around page views and a clear 
delineation between their content and Wikimedia community contributions to 
avoid confusion from readers. Have references in SDC will give the 
organisations credit for the metadata they share and reduce concerns about 
their content being confused with community contributions which may be 
incorrect. It will also encourage them to start using Wikidata and SDC on their 
own website eg providing multilingual labels. There's an extra barrier to them 
adopting open licenses with the CC0 license for SDC statements, generally 
organisations are willing to share under CC BY or SA for content but CC0 is 
difficult because is doesn't by its nature give them credit for their content. 
We get around this with Wikidata because we can say 'there will be references 
so people can see you added this data'. Generally speaking 'please can you 
spend a significant amount of time to understand and change your license so you 
can share your content with us, we won't give you credit for any of it' is 
really not going to work.
  
  Hope this helps
  
  Thanks again

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T230315: Allow adding references to structured data on Commons (MediaInfo) statements

2021-05-14 Thread John_Cummings 
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  I think this would be useful for a number of reasons, I'm basing this on 10 
years of working as Wikimedian in Residence for cultural institutions, UN 
agencies and parts of the EU. The main use case is from my perspective is for 
any content created by external organisations, which runs to 10s of millions of 
files on Commons. Many of these organisations share quite extensive metadata 
with their content way beyond depicts, copyright and author. The main benefits 
I see are the same as for references on Wikipedia, verifiability and credit.
  
  **Wikipedia**
  Allowing users to know that the metadata comes from an organisation creates a 
level of trust in the information. I think SDC could be widely used and useful 
on Wikipedia but without references to provide verifiability it seems unlikely 
it will get used, in the same way Wikidata data without references are blocked 
on English Wikipedia infoboxes in a lot of situations. Another benefit for 
Wikipedia specifically is to make creating Wikipedia articles for things 
depicted on Commons (eg an object in a museum) easier because the references 
which are collated in SDC can most probably be reused on Wikipedia.
  
  **Organisations sharing content:**
  Many organisations adopt an open license specifically so they can share it on 
Wikimedia projects, most of my job in the UN the last 5 years has been around 
helping orgs adopt open licenses. Generally speaking organisations who share 
content on Commons want recognition and metrics around page views and a clear 
delineation between their content and Wikimedia community contributions to 
avoid confusion from readers. Have references in SDC will give the 
organisations credit for the metadata they share and reduce concerns about 
their content being confused with community contributions which may be 
incorrect. It will also encourage them to start using Wikidata and SDC on their 
own website eg providing multilingual labels. There's an extra barrier to them 
adopting open licenses with the CC0 license for SDC statements, generally 
organisations are willing to share under CC BY or SA for content but CC0 is 
difficult because is doesn't by its nature give them credit for their content. 
We get around this with Wikidata because we can say 'there will be references 
so people can see you added this data'. Generally speaking 'please can you 
spend a significant amount of time to understand and change your license so you 
can share your content with us, we won't give you credit for any of it' is 
really not going to work.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T149410: For consistency MediaInfo serialization should use "claims" as key, rather than "statements"

2021-05-14 Thread John_Cummings 
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  In T149410#7088952 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T149410#7088952>, 
@Multichill wrote:
  
  > @Cparle @John_Cummings : Why are you discussion references in this task 
instead of in T230315 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T230315> ? This task 
is about about serialization of the data and that the fact that we use two 
different keys (claims vs statements) for the same thing.
  
  I'll copy my answer over to the other task, sorry, didn't realise they were 
different

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T230315: Create a way to see and add references to structured data on Commons (MediaInfo) statements

2021-05-14 Thread John_Cummings 
John_Cummings renamed this task from "Allow adding references to structured 
data on Commons (MediaInfo) statements " to "Create a way to see and add 
references to structured data on Commons (MediaInfo) statements ".
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T230315: Create a way to see and add references to structured data on Commons (MediaInfo) statements

2021-05-18 Thread John_Cummings 
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  Its been confirmed by @GFontenelle_WMF that WMF do not have implementing 
references on SDC in their development roadmap so it would have to be done by 
others.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T282719: Wikidata tool request: Users can enter an ISBN to see if a Wikidata item exists, if not it makes a new one based on the data available (works like 'Cite' tool on W

2021-05-12 Thread John_Cummings 
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TASK DESCRIPTION
  I would really love a tool that worked a bit like the 'Cite' on Wikipedia, 
that can tell you if there's already an item for an publication with an ISBN 
and if not it goes to get the data to make a new one. The process of using it 
would be something like:
  
  1. User enters an ISBN on a page and it says if there is an item on Wikidata 
which has this ISBN
  2. If there is already an item which uses this ISBN the tool suggests extra 
statements to add that the user just clicks to add them. The tool gets the data 
from the same place the Cite tool on Wikipedia does.
  3. If there isn't already an item using this ISBN, the tool prefills a form 
for the new item which the user click to create. It then looks for any item on 
Wikidata with the same name and author to find other editions and then connects 
them together using which ever statement is needed.
  
  Questions
  
  1. Is this possible/realistic? Would be a really nice thing to have.
  2. Would this rely on Citoid being installed on Wikidata or could it get the 
info from somewhere else? (T199197 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T199197>)
  3. I'm sure there could also be an option to enter multiple ISBNs but I don't 
know what's the best layout for that.
  
  Also how could I propose this as a project for the Wikimedia Hackathon? I 
don't know if there's a category for ideas from non programmers?
  
  Thanks

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T199197: [2.11] Integrate Citoid in Wikidata

2021-05-12 Thread John_Cummings 
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  In T199197#6705292 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T199197#6705292>, 
@connorshea wrote:
  
  > I'd like to say that - as a Wikidata contributor - this is still a 
much-needed tool. The current reference interface for Wikidata is still painful 
to use.
  
  Very much +1 to this.
  
  Question to @Samwalton9 or anyone else who might know. If there was a tool 
which looked up ISBNs to see if an item already used it and if not created a 
Wikidata item using available information would this need citoid to be 
installed on Wikidata to work? Would external tools which use OAuth etc (eg 
Magnus tools) to add to Wikidata need citoid installed on Wikidata or could 
they use it from some other instance?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T149410: For consistency MediaInfo serialization should use "claims" as key, rather than "statements"

2021-05-13 Thread John_Cummings 
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  In T149410#5287189 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T149410#5287189>, 
@Ramsey-WMF wrote:
  
  > The SDC team will follow the recommendations/decisions of the original 
authors (WMDE).
  >
  > We do believe, as Addshore mentioned above, that there's a strong 
possibility that the Commons model will end up not using references in the way 
that Wikidata does. We'll defer to WMDE for how that should be reflected in the 
serialization code.
  
  Hi all

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T230315: Allow adding references to structured data (MediaInfo) statements to SDC Structured Data on Commons

2021-05-13 Thread John_Cummings 
John_Cummings renamed this task from "Allow adding references to structured 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T149410: For consistency MediaInfo serialization should use "claims" as key, rather than "statements"

2021-05-13 Thread John_Cummings 
John_Cummings added a subtask: T230315: Allow adding references to structured 
data (MediaInfo) statements to SDC Structured Data on Commons.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T230315: Allow adding references to structured data (MediaInfo) statements to SDC Structured Data on Commons

2021-05-13 Thread John_Cummings 
John_Cummings added a parent task: T149410: For consistency MediaInfo 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T230315: Create a way to see and add references to structured data on Commons (MediaInfo) statements

2021-05-20 Thread John_Cummings 
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  In T230315#7098309 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T230315#7098309>, 
@Fuzheado wrote:
  
  > This conversation about how to do bot additions of depiction metadata, and 
attribute them appropriately in Wikidata vs Commons, might be useful here as it 
is what spawned the recent interest in this topic.
  >
  > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions/Bot/METbot
  >
  > The short version: Wikidata prefers reference statements when citing the 
source of a statement, while Commons has no choice but to use qualifiers to do 
the same. This means we have different ways in Commons and Wikidata to do the 
same thing, with no prospect of unifying our approach. This only adds to our 
list of Wikidata vs Commons woes. Not only are we a "community" with different 
project norms, we are now separated by differing technical capacities (or at 
least user interface) even though both Commons and Wikidata are using Wikibase.
  
  Thanks for this really clear summary. Question: If they did have the same 
structure would this mean we could use tools meant for Wikidata on SDC data 
(and maybe both at the same time) eg tools that use Wikidata data on Wikipedia.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T230315: Create a way to see and add references to structured data on Commons (MediaInfo) statements

2021-05-20 Thread John_Cummings 
John_Cummings updated the task description.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T282719: Wikidata tool request: Users can enter an ISBN to see if a Wikidata item exists, if not it makes a new one based on the data available (works like 'Cite' tool on W

2021-05-14 Thread John_Cummings 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T282719: Wikidata tool request: Users can enter an ISBN to see if a Wikidata item exists, if not it makes a new one based on the data available (works like 'Cite' tool on W

2021-05-14 Thread John_Cummings 
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  In T282719#7087589 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T282719#7087589>, 
@Spinster wrote:
  
  > If someone ever develops this, it needs to be done with the greatest of 
care. If not, such a tool could produce excessive duplicate and wrongly modeled 
items, producing a huge amount of work for the community to clean up.
  >
  > See https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Books for some input 
on modeling. This community needs to be consulted.
  >
  > - Books need to conform to the FRBR description model, in order to conform 
with the level of data quality that libraries also apply. This tool needs to 
make sure all necessary items on work and edition/translation level are checked 
and created if necessary.
  > - Make sure the end user, even if they are beginners, do correct matching 
with existing authors, publishers, locations of publishing. I'm actually not 
sure what would need to be done if new items need to be created at this 
level... do we even want that?
  > - Avoid creation of duplicates (duplicate works, editions, authors, 
publishers, locations of publishing).
  >
  > Other input very welcome. I'd rather see no tool than one that introduces 
large amounts of erroneous data.
  
  Hi Sandra
  
  I've updated the description to include the FRBR model as the basis for 
creating and matching items. Is it logic to say that new items the based on 
ISBN number (or other similar ID) should be Instance='edition' in Wikidata?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T230315: Allow adding references to structured data (MediaInfo) statements

2021-05-05 Thread John_Cummings 
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  Also it would allow Commons to be included in campaigns like 1lib1ref

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T225701: Add EntitySchemas to the Query Service

2021-03-25 Thread John_Cummings 
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  We have now finished the work on creating a space for community discussion of 
schemas.
  
  https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Schemas
  
  https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Schema_proposals
  
  Having EntitySchemas in queries and as part of statements will allow us to 
make use of them much more in Wikidata. E.g we'd really love to have a property 
called something like 'Community agreed schema' for a topic to allow people to 
more easily understand and use schemas.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T230315: Allow adding references to structured data (MediaInfo) statements

2021-03-16 Thread John_Cummings 
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  This would extremely useful to have, it may also add as encouragement for 
organisations to share content, providing a link to the original provider of 
the statements etc

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T289946: querying for sitelink existence in the Query Builder

2021-09-01 Thread John_Cummings 
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  An example of where this would be very useful is creating redlists for 
Wikipedia including for Wikiprojects and editathons, e.g show me all the 
Icelandic women who do not have an English Wikipedia article, or show me all 
the birds who do not have a English Wikipedia article.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T230315: Create a way to see and add references to structured data on Commons (MediaInfo) statements

2021-08-23 Thread John_Cummings 
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  Hi @mwilliams thanks so much for creating these mock ups, I feel having 
references on SDC is extremely important especially when working with partners. 
My inital reaction is they look great, my guess is that having the same 
structure for references and qualifiers as Wikidata would make the most sense 
since it is a proven way of doing it and I would assume improve 
interoperability.
  
  Thanks again

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2021-08-25 Thread John_Cummings 
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  Thanks very much @addshore and @Lydia_Pintscher, one thing I don't understand 
is who in practice could implement this?

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2021-08-23 Thread John_Cummings 
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  My assumption is there would be a great deal of benefit in harmonising with 
Wikidata as much as possible for documentation, tools, ease of use etc so if in 
doubt make the same as Wikidata. Also this may allow easier improvements to be 
carrier over from Wikidata maybe?

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2021-08-23 Thread John_Cummings 
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  In T230315#7302718 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T230315#7302718>, 
@Dominicbm wrote:
  
  > @mwilliams So, in terms of the interface, I think it's going to be a little 
more complicated than this mockup has captured so far. A reference does more 
than a qualifier does, so it's not just a matter of adding a new sub-claim with 
a property and value when a user selects "add reference". If you check how this 
works on Wikidata, clicking "add reference" creates a shaded box, within which 
the user can add any number of claims that are all grouped collectively as that 
one reference. If you click "add reference" again, you would actually be 
starting a new shaded box with a different group of claims for the second 
reference.
  >
  > In the mockup, I'm not sure how this works yet. In the bottom left image, I 
see a place to add a claim—the text box expecting a "Property"—meaning someone 
has already clicked "Add reference" once, and then I see an "Add reference" 
button under that. On Wikidata (see below for reference), once you click to 
start a new reference, the user has both an "+add" button //within// the 
reference to add new claims to the reference, as well as an "+add reference" 
button //under// the reference, to start a new reference. I just want to make 
sure references in SDoC are being designed a collection of grouped claims, 
rather than as single disconnected claims (as qualifiers). If this is the plan 
already, and it's just that maybe a new text box pops up once the first one is 
entered, I would still suggest that some form of shading or visual marker to 
show which claims constitute the same reference would be helpful.
  >
  > F34618098: Screen Shot 2021-08-23 at 2.18.51 PM.png 
<https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F34618098>
  >
  > Also, this is minor, but in Wikidata each claim is displayed with a 
numerical value showing the number of references (even if it is 0). Will this 
be done in SDoC as well?
  
  Thanks very much for explaining this, is what you would like basically the 
same way Wikidata does references? I've been trying to think of a use case that 
wouldn't work for the existing Wikidata approach for adding references and I 
can't think of one.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T230315: Create a way to see and add references to structured data on Commons (MediaInfo) statements

2021-08-23 Thread John_Cummings 
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  In T230315#7302889 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T230315#7302889>, 
@Dominicbm wrote:
  
  > In T230315#7302885 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T230315#7302885>, 
@John_Cummings wrote:
  >
  >> Thanks very much for explaining this, is what you would like basically the 
same way Wikidata does references? I've been trying to think of a use case that 
wouldn't work for the existing Wikidata approach for adding references and I 
can't think of one.
  >
  > Yes, I think it //must// work this way. If you want to cite a book, you 
will need a title, an author, a publisher, etc. A web citation needs a URL and 
an access date. And so on. These claims all belong to one reference, and cannot 
be mixed together with claims for other references. Once you have two 
references for a statement, you need to know which title a given author claim 
belongs with. So there must be grouping. In the data, each reference is its own 
JSON object with a unique hash, in addition to all of its child claims. 
Qualifiers, by contrast, are all just standalone claims.
  
  Thanks very much for confirming, do you know who in WMDE is knowledgable 
about how this all works? @Addshore are you able to suggest someone?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T230315: [XL] Create a way to see and add references to structured data on Commons (MediaInfo) statements

2021-10-08 Thread John_Cummings 
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  @matthiasmullie really nice video, very clear, thanks :) One question, how is 
this different to how Wikidata does it? I'd hate to miss something at this 
point that means going back and losing work

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T230315: [XL] Create a way to see and add references to structured data on Commons (MediaInfo) statements

2021-10-07 Thread John_Cummings 
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  @matthiasmullie if you need any user guinea pigs to test things out let me 
know :)

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T291422: support for additional datatypes in the Query Builder

2021-11-19 Thread John_Cummings 
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  Please can we have one as 'does or does not have page on Wikimedia project'? 
This will allow people to very easily create redlists for wikiprojects and it 
would also be very useful when working with partner organisations.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T230315: [XL] Create a way to see and add references to structured data on Commons (MediaInfo) statements

2021-11-29 Thread John_Cummings 
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  In T230315#7533267 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T230315#7533267>, 
@matthiasmullie wrote:
  
  > This got stalled a bit because these additional UI elements & interaction 
revealed an issue with some of the code that renders all elements on the page 
(T296616 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T296616>) - that has to be fixed 
before we roll out support for references. I think I have a working fix - it 
needs some more testing, but this is moving forward again.
  
  thanks so much your work on this :)

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T230315: [XL] Create a way to see and add references to structured data on Commons (MediaInfo) statements

2021-10-28 Thread John_Cummings 
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  @matthiasmullie Thanks very much for the new video, very clear

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T230315: [XL] Create a way to see and add references to structured data on Commons (MediaInfo) statements

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T246554: Create Wikidata Tours for most common kinds of items and statements

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T246488: Find out which are the most common kinds of items and statement to know what to make tours for

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T246555: Write a blog post about all the new tours

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T203717: Create a tour about lexicographical data

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T165970: Create a Wikidata Tour / tutorial about qualifiers

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T165972: Create a Wikidata Tour / tutorial about special values

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