[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T228513: Start using webpack for dependency management and bundling

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  Change 524515 abandoned by Ladsgroup:
  Start using webpack
  
  Reason:
  Not needed anymore
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/524515

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  > Using a packing solution on top of that is also appropriate to reduce the 
amount of http traffic overhead if we load these files asynchronously (which is 
still not supported by all browsers to this date 
https://caniuse.com/#feat=es6-module-dynamic-import) as well as
  
  this sentence in the description seems somehow cut off (as well as WHAT?). 
@Ladsgroup: any chance you'd remember what additional things were meant to be 
listed here?

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  NOTE: good concern raised during Frontend Guild Session 1: we have to make 
sure we do not invest too much time re-writing source or test code of 
javascript modules, as part of this trailblazing, when they are being replaced 
by other hikes. Example is termbox hike has replaced old termbox with old 
termbox, or there would be no point of rewriting old termbox for the sake of 
making it work when we transition to webpack, as it may be dropped by the time 
we start/finish the trailblazing.

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[Ladsgroup]

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  In T228513#5443175 , 
@Addshore wrote:
  
  > In T228513#5443146 , 
@Ladsgroup wrote:
  >
  >> In T228513#5431503 , 
@alaa_wmde wrote:
  >>
  >>> - How build process of webpack packs will integrate with our build 
pipeline? Checking in compiled packs will cause merging separate patches harder
  >>
  >> Yeah, that's a drawback
  >
  > I think this is the main thing that we want to think about.
  >
  > 1. How long will the build step take for developers? (I hope not too long)
  
  It's not. I did it for MobileFrontend and my POC
  
  > 1. Can we have CI to make sure that people remember to rebuild when 
changing JS that needs to be built?
  
  @Jakob_WMDE mentioned there's an interesting way to do it that's already 
being done in termbox and the bridge. The CI rebuilds the dist files and checks 
if git status fails. This is important to also prevent attacks that a person 
puts an innocent change in gerrit but a backdoor in the dist file.

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[Addshore]

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  In T228513#5443146 , 
@Ladsgroup wrote:
  
  > In T228513#5431503 , 
@alaa_wmde wrote:
  >
  >> - How build process of webpack packs will integrate with our build 
pipeline? Checking in compiled packs will cause merging separate patches harder
  >
  > Yeah, that's a drawback
  
  I think this is the main thing that we want to think about.
  
  1. How long will the build step take for developers? (I hope not too long)
  2. Can we have CI to make sure that people remember to rebuild when changing 
JS that needs to be built?
  
  Point 1 I guess will be one of the things that we figure out once we get 
there.
  Point 2 we can probably investigate a little before we start.

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[Ladsgroup]

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  In T228513#5431503 , 
@alaa_wmde wrote:
  
  > - How build process of webpack packs will integrate with our build 
pipeline? Checking in compiled packs will cause merging separate patches harder
  
  Yeah, that's a drawback
  
  > - Is this for Wikibase only for now, or WikibaseLexeme too?
  
  I would recommend WikibaseLexeme first. It's more self-contained but doing 
both should not be super hard.
  
  > - What is the Acceptance Criteria of this trailblazing?
  
  Start using webpack in production and migrate considerable number of scripts 
to use it sounds good to me.
  
  > - what metrics we want to measure before/after?
  
  Given that uglifyJS has better compression rate. We should start measuring 
size of bundles we send to users + the reduction in size of startup module in 
client and repo
  
  >   - after what time we should re-visit where we are, whether we achieved 
our goals, what we have achieved, and plan what to do next?
  > - Will we need a security review needed for Webpack or other babel 
presets/polyfills?
  
  All of steps of this trailblaze is aiming to do is already done on other 
products, like popups, mobile frontend. I don't see any difference.
  
  > - How unit tests of those modules packed with Webpack will be run?
  
  
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Jdlrobson/Developing_with_Webpack_and_ResourceLoader
 + You can take a look at the code in mobile frontend.

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  **Questions from the bonfire that we might want to answer/consider as part of 
the trailblazing**
  
  - How build process of webpack packs will integrate with our build pipeline? 
Checking in compiled packs will cause merging separate patches harder
  - Is this for Wikibase only for now, or WikibaseLexeme too?
  - What is the Acceptance Criteria of this trailblazing?
- what metrics we want to measure before/after?
- after what time we should re-visit where we are, whether we achieved our 
goals, what we have achieved, and plan what to do next?
  - Will we need a security review needed for Webpack or other babel 
presets/polyfills?
  - How unit tests of those modules packed with Webpack will be run?

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[Ladsgroup]

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  In T228513#5410269 , 
@Addshore wrote:
  
  > @Ladsgroup does the MobileFrontend skin use minification in webpack, or 
leave it down the RL?
  
  Webpack does it. But also it does a better job in minfication like 
tree-shaking, and/or other configurable magic like renaming variables, etc. RL 
minfication is pretty inefficient (but fast so it can respond in timely 
manner). T49437: Consider a pipeline for enhanced minification (e.g. support 
UglifyJS)  talks more about this, it 
uses uglifyJS but the same principle can be applied everywhere. In short, it 
can reduce size of our bundles up to 10%.
  
  > My main though here is it would be nice to not have minified things with 
debug=true?
  
  Yes, that's the biggest caveat of webpack IMO //but// most debuggers have 
prettifies  you can use, so it's not that bad.
  
  > What impact would are the clients predicted to see bandwidth / response 
time wise?
  > Or are these the bits that are hard to predict?
  
  We already saw them in real-life, dropped 137 module and T203696#5387672 
 happened, It's too noisy to 
give an exact value but you can assume dropping 137 module, increased speed of 
pages in desktop with latency of 100ms by 4%, that adds up in case of clients. 
For repos, not that much because our bottleneck is not module names but 
actually the whole modules are pretty big and a better minifier might give a 
hand. (There are other ways to improve things like lazy loading but that's 
definitely outside of scope of this work). Dropping name of modules might give 
a small boost to commons though.
  
  > What is the deployment / development workflow going to look like here?
  > building the JS and commiting it to wikibase.git for review? I guess that 
is what is done with T195475  ?
  
  Yes, basically before committing a patch, you run npm build, and it builds 
for you and you commit both codes (here's an example 
).During
 development you run "npm start" and it listens to your files and if they 
change, it rebuilds the build file(s).

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  @Ladsgroup does the MobileFrontend skin use minification in webpack, or leave 
it down the RL?
  My main though here is it would be nice to not have minified things with 
debug=true?
  
  > Every module removed from lib or client will have ~30GB/day reduction on 
network. We planning to drop probably around 10-20 of them
  > Every module removed from view or repo will have ~55 MB/day (wikidata) + 90 
MB/day (commons) reduction on network. We are planning to drop probably around 
100-200 of them.
  
  What impact would are the clients predicted to see bandwidth / response time 
wise?
  Or are these the bits that are hard to predict?
  
  What is the deployment / development workflow going to look like here?
  building the JS and commiting it to wikibase.git for review? I guess that is 
what is done with T195475  ?
  
  I dont have any major concerns with any of this really.

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  @Ladsgroup can you rephrase the Problem better, perhaps adding more details? 
I have a feeling the current one isn't really reflecting the actual problem 
behind our motivation here

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  > As of 7 May 2018 in production, Wikibase's 248 RL modules result in 14,453 
bytes (5,210 bytes after gzip) being shipped on every page view of every 
Wikipedia for every reader. That's 6.4TiB a day of extra load on readers.
  
  Just a clarification, this is for Client that is being tackled in another 
way, client will also enjoy some of the benefits of webpack but the main 
benefits will be towards performance of Wikidata's frontend by squeezing more 
than 300 modules we register in repo to maybe at most 100.

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  above patch was meant to be as a proof of concept

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  Change 524515 had a related patch set uploaded (by Ladsgroup; owner: 
Ladsgroup):
  [mediawiki/extensions/WikibaseLexeme@master] Start using webpack
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/524515

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