[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T114772: Allow storing Wikidata sitelinks to wikis that have non-typical wiki ID (not matching the database name)

2020-10-14 Thread Addshore
Addshore added a comment.


  In T114772#6542420 , 
@Ladsgroup wrote:
  
  >> @Ladsgroup do me this issue of display seems like a smaller part of the 
whole rename problem anyway?
  >
  > Specially given that most of it is in the gadget, I assume it's not our job 
//but// we need to make sure the validation of frontend code at least accepts 
aliases.
  
  Great we don't need to be concerned with that then. (for now / for this 
ticket)
  
  > In T114772#6542032 , 
@WMDE-leszek wrote:
  >
  >> @Ladsgroup I've adjusted the task description to focus on the issue more 
than on the possible solution. As an expert here, do you know that 
`zh_classicalwiki` and ` be_x_oldwiki` are the only problematic cases in the 
current WMF wikis infrastructure, or were those just examples, and there is 
more to consider/include?
  >
  >
  >
  > - `zh-classical` is one example of many many wikis that have dash in their 
language code, according to the SiteMatrix 
, the rest are `cbk-zam` 
(-> `cbk_zamwiki`), `bat-smg`, `fiu-vro`, `map-bms`, `nds-nl`, `roa-rup`, 
`roa-tara`, `zh-min-nan`, `zh-yue` but we don't need to keep a hard-coded list, 
just the rule of `-` -> `_`
  > - The only one that's completely different is `be-tarask` ( -> 
`be_x_oldwiki`) but if this is resolved, I assume more will follow. IIRC, 
`zh-classical` (to `lzh`), `no` to `nb` and another of Chinese wikis will be 
renamed (but that's for the future)
  
  If `-` -> `_` is to be a general path for aliases then I think the 
description needs to be updated to reflect that.
  Currently reading the task description I would assume this this is just a 
list of ID 1 -> ID2 for example.
  Having something generic like `-` -> `_` also open up the question of should 
this happen on other wikibases (probably not by default), this this type of 
replacement would also need to be done in a generic way.
  @Ladsgroup mind having a go at updating the ACs etc to reflect that?
  
  I believe that would be the only remaining open point.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T114772: Allow storing Wikidata sitelinks to wikis that have non-typical wiki ID (not matching the database name)

2020-10-14 Thread Ladsgroup
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  In T114772#6541988 , 
@Addshore wrote:
  
  > Okay, it looks like the one reamaining open question is around this example:
  >
  >> be_taraskwiki and be-taraskwiki is used to refer to wiki, which canonical 
site ID be_x_oldwiki
  >> be-tarask is the expected way of communicating the wiki ID of the 
"Belarussian Taraškievica ortography" Wikipedia
  >
  > This needs more than just an alias for input to be converted to a canonical.
  > This also need a prefered representation / alias for display for some site 
ids.
  >
  > I'd raise the question to @Lydia_Pintscher about this then. We can 
technical do this in the UI, but would keep the JSON with the storade canonical 
ID.
  > Doing anything beyond that would start to expand the scope of this task a 
bit too much, and might make sense to be done seperatly.
  
  internally it should be only stored with their canonical value. The site 
global id (the db name) never changes for a wiki, even if it gets renamed.
  
  > @Ladsgroup do me this issue of display seems like a smaller part of the 
whole rename problem anyway?
  
  Specially given that most of it is in the gadget, I assume it's not our job 
//but// we need to make sure the validation of frontend code at least accepts 
aliases.
  
  In T114772#6542032 , 
@WMDE-leszek wrote:
  
  > @Ladsgroup I've adjusted the task description to focus on the issue more 
than on the possible solution. As an expert here, do you know that 
`zh_classicalwiki` and ` be_x_oldwiki` are the only problematic cases in the 
current WMF wikis infrastructure, or were those just examples, and there is 
more to consider/include?
  
  
  
  - `zh-classical` is one example of many many wikis that have dash in their 
language code, according to the SiteMatrix 
, the rest are `cbk-zam` 
(-> `cbk_zamwiki`), `bat-smg`, `fiu-vro`, `map-bms`, `nds-nl`, `roa-rup`, 
`roa-tara`, `zh-min-nan`, `zh-yue` but we don't need to keep a hard-coded list, 
just the rule of `-` -> `_`
  - The only one that's completely different is `be-tarask` ( -> 
`be_x_oldwiki`) but if this is resolved, I assume more will follow. IIRC, 
`zh-classical` (to `lzh`), `no` to `nb` and another of Chinese wikis will be 
renamed (but that's for the future)

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T114772: Allow storing Wikidata sitelinks to wikis that have non-typical wiki ID (not matching the database name)

2020-10-14 Thread Lydia_Pintscher
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  For a given site we have at least the following info we want to have in the 
UI:
  
  - which group does it belong to (Wikipedia, Wikivoyage, misc, etc.)
  - which display title does it have (en, meta, wikidata, etc) <- this 
conversion from enwiki to en is currently done by the Site ID to interwiki 
gadget on Wikidata  and therefor 
not available on other WB installations
  - which names it can be found under for the selector when adding a new 
sitelink (en, English, specieswiki, etc)
  
  Hope that helps.

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2020-10-14 Thread WMDE-leszek
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  It was not discussed given I assumed there are open questions in your comment 
T114772#6541988 

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2020-10-14 Thread Addshore
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  @WMDE-leszek Looks like this was not picked up in story time again, were 
there more open questions? (Sorry I could not attend)

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2020-10-14 Thread WMDE-leszek
WMDE-leszek added a comment.


  @Ladsgroup I've adjusted the task description to focus on the issue more than 
on the possible solution. As an expert here, do you know that 
`zh_classicalwiki` and ` be_x_oldwiki` are the only problematic cases in the 
current WMF wikis infrastructure, or were those just examples, and there is 
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2020-10-14 Thread Addshore
Addshore added a comment.


  Okay, it looks like the one reamaining open question is around this example:
  
  > be_taraskwiki and be-taraskwiki is used to refer to wiki, which canonical 
site ID be_x_oldwiki
  > be-tarask is the expected way of communicating the wiki ID of the 
"Belarussian Taraškievica ortography" Wikipedia
  
  This needs more than just an alias for input to be converted to a canonical.
  This also need a prefered representation / alias for display for some site 
ids.
  
  I'd raise the question to @Lydia_Pintscher about this then. We can technical 
do this in the UI, but would keep the JSON with the storade canonical ID.
  Doing anything beyond that would start to expand the scope of this task a bit 
too much, and might make sense to be done seperatly.
  @Ladsgroup do me this issue of display seems like a smaller part of the whole 
rename problem anyway?

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2020-10-14 Thread WMDE-leszek
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2020-10-14 Thread Addshore
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  So we always want to store a canonical site id for the JSON and various other 
indexes (rather than changing it as renames happen).
  Do we always want to display the canonical one in the UI? or would we prefer 
to show something else?
  This is probably something that needs a little product consideration cc 
@Lydia_Pintscher
  Once we have that answer I think we want to write some ACs ready for pickup 
and perhaps strip down some of the old description leaving a potential example 
of service implementation.

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2020-10-14 Thread WMDE-leszek
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