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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T267791: Allow entering Wikidata sitelinks to sites that have an ID containing hyphens (not matching the database name)

2020-12-01 Thread WMDE-leszek

WMDE-leszek closed this task as "Declined".
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  Per discussion with @Addshore and @Ladsgroup this part of T114772 
 would have only been a convenience 
in the UI, therefore is not critical and will not be worked on.

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2020-11-24 Thread Ladsgroup

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  In T267791#6644295 , 
@WMDE-leszek wrote:

  > I don't know the context where those drifts would happen and be bad, but in 
principle having different presentation and persistence models is fine, I'd 
think?

  That would be fine if we didn't expose the persistence, but we do expose it. 
And not just exposing it, tools and services use that as well.

  > I have to admit I am being slightly confused of the purpose of the change 
then?
  > We allow, and encourage, hyphenated site IDs for user input (via UI, and 
APIs) but we present underscored ones? And you say it would not lead to 
confusion if done this way?

  Yes but there is a big difference between UI where non-tech savvy people use 
and API where people who already know the difference use.

  > My, apparently wrong, understanding of reasoning behind this change was 
using similar "style" for site IDs (hyphenated) as is used (for input and 
output) for language code e.g. in item labels.
  > Was it not? What is the problem this change intends to solve then?

  The difference is the input and output. Currently for articles of 
https://be-tarask.wikipedia.org the user can't input "be-tarask" (or 
"be_tarask") and it gets even worse, in UI, "be-x-old" works but not in API 
which is pretty bad and we should bring some clarity in it but there will be 
some level of inconsistency somewhere anyway and we shouldn't make AC to fix 
every inconsistency in the system. Because clients of wikidata can handle 
representation inconsistencies in API. For example, pywikibot itself fixes the 
dash to hyphen when building the Site() object from the sitelinks of wikidata.

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2020-11-24 Thread WMDE-leszek

WMDE-leszek added a comment.


  I don't know the context where those drifts would happen and be bad, but in 
principle having different presentation and persistence models is fine, I'd 
think?
  
  I have to admit I am being slightly confused of the purpose of the change 
then?
  We allow, and encourage, hyphenated site IDs for user input (via UI, and 
APIs) but we present underscored ones? And you say it would not lead to 
confusion if done this way?
  
  My, apparently wrong, understanding of reasoning behind this change was using 
similar "style" for site IDs (hyphenated) as is used (for input and output) for 
language code e.g. in item labels.
  Was it not? What is the problem this change intends to solve then?

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2020-11-24 Thread Ladsgroup

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  In T267791#6620894 , 
@WMDE-leszek wrote:
  
  > @Ladsgroup note that the question was not about the JSON blog that is 
stored. It is defined it should not changed.
  > Question is about the JSON representation in the APIs ("action" API, 
special entity page, etc). My interpretation of requirements has been that this 
JSON representation should contain the favored form (i.e. hyphenated one). It 
would be great to have this interpretation confirmed by someone who knows what 
is the right thing. thanks
  
  In my honest opinion, we don't need to change that json either. Given that 
the more drifts from the represented json and stored json causes more confusion 
and issues (like ores not being able to handle data types) because they are 
very similar but yet different in unexpected ways specially given that the 
stored json is publicly accessible through API (query revisions).

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2020-11-23 Thread WMDE-leszek

WMDE-leszek added a comment.


  In T267791#6620894 , 
@WMDE-leszek wrote:
  
  > @Ladsgroup note that the question was not about the JSON blog that is 
stored. It is defined it should not changed.
  > Question is about the JSON representation in the APIs ("action" API, 
special entity page, etc). My interpretation of requirements has been that this 
JSON representation should contain the favored form (i.e. hyphenated one). It 
would be great to have this interpretation confirmed by someone who knows what 
is the right thing. thanks
  
  bump @Ladsgroup @Addshore

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2020-11-17 Thread WMDE-leszek

WMDE-leszek set the point value for this task to "5".

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2020-11-17 Thread WMDE-leszek

WMDE-leszek added a comment.


  Estimated based on T267793  being 
completed first.

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2020-11-17 Thread WMDE-leszek

WMDE-leszek updated the task description.

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2020-11-17 Thread WMDE-leszek

WMDE-leszek added a parent task: T114772: Allow entering Wikidata sitelinks to 
wikis that have non-typical wiki ID (not matching the database name).

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2020-11-12 Thread WMDE-leszek

WMDE-leszek removed a parent task: T114772: Allow entering Wikidata sitelinks 
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2020-11-12 Thread Bugreporter

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2020-11-12 Thread WMDE-leszek

WMDE-leszek added a comment.


  @Ladsgroup note that the question was not about the JSON blog that is stored. 
It is defined it should not changed.
  Question is about the JSON representation in the APIs ("action" API, special 
entity page, etc). My interpretation of requirements has been that this JSON 
representation should contain the favored form (i.e. hyphenated one). It would 
be great to have this interpretation confirmed by someone who knows what is the 
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2020-11-12 Thread Ladsgroup

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  In T267791#6620453 , 
@Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE wrote:
  
  > Other questions that I didn’t have time to ask in the story time (the first 
isn’t really a question but I’d like to have it confirmed anyways):
  >
  > - It’s understood that the changes made to the JSON output are breaking 
changes and will be announced according to the Stable Interface Policy 
, yes?
  > - Will APIs like `wbeditentity` and `wbsetsitelink` still accept the 
underscore version as inputs? (Otherwise that’s another breaking change, though 
we could combine the announcement with the last one.)
  >
  > (Edit: both of these apply to T267793: Allow entering Wikidata sitelinks to 
sites using an alternative (alias) site ID (not matching the database name) 
 as well, I suppose.)
  
  AFAIK, the json storage and json representation should not change, mostly 
because history will be completely messed up. The json should store the dbname, 
nothing more and nothing less.

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2020-11-12 Thread Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE

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  Other questions that I didn’t have time to ask in the story time (the first 
isn’t really a question but I’d like to have it confirmed anyways):
  
  - It’s understood that the changes made to the JSON output are breaking 
changes and will be announced according to the Stable Interface Policy 
, yes?
  - Will APIs like `wbeditentity` and `wbsetsitelink` still accept the 
underscore version as inputs? (Otherwise that’s another breaking change, though 
we could combine the announcement with the last one.)

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2020-11-12 Thread WMDE-leszek

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  Question to @Lydia_Pintscher @Addshore @Ladsgroup 
  What is the intended behaviour after the change and the "right" payload to 
the Special Go to linked page:
  https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:GoToLinkedPage/zh_classicalwiki/Q5296
  or 
  https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:GoToLinkedPage/zh-classicalwiki/Q5296
  
  similar question regarding 
  
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:ItemByTitle/zh_classicalwiki/%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%A4%A7%E5%85%B8:%E5%8D%B7%E9%A6%96
  vs
  
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:ItemByTitle/zh-classicalwiki/%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%A4%A7%E5%85%B8:%E5%8D%B7%E9%A6%96

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T267791: Allow entering Wikidata sitelinks to sites that have an ID containing hyphens (not matching the database name)

2020-11-12 Thread WMDE-leszek

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TASK DESCRIPTION
  Currently, Wikibase accepts only one way for sitelinks. their canonical 
database name (their id in MW sites table). 
  It is a convention on Wikimedia wikis that site ID use hyphens as a 
delimiter, whereas canonical database names use underscores.
  Wikibase currently does take this convention into account.
  
  **Example**: `zh-classicalwiki` ("Chinese Classical Wikipedia") is used to 
refer to wiki, which canonical site ID is `zh_classicalwiki` (note `-` vs `_`)
  
  **Change requested**: Site IDs containing hyphens are accepted and mapped to 
Site IDs with underscores for storage (and mapped back to hyphens for display)
  
  **Acceptance criteria**
  
  [ ] The canonical site ids are still used for storage in JSON and other 
indexes.
  [ ] `zh-classical`, `zh-min-nan` and `be-tarask` are the IDs presented to the 
user in the sitelink editing UI
  [ ] `zh-classical`, `zh-min-nan` and `be-tarask` are the IDs presented in the 
JSON output provided by Wikibase APIs (including Special:EntityData)
  [ ] Wikibase (including but not limited to WMF production) should work as 
follows:  identifiers containing hyphens, e,g, `zh-classicalwiki` are accepted 
as an site identifier, and add a sitelinks to a Wikipedia(s) with a canonical 
site ID containing underscores instead of hyphens, e.g. "Chinese classical" 
Wikipedia (canonical site ID `zh_classicalwiki`) both in UI and API
  
  Originally part of T114772 

TASK DETAIL
  https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T267791

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T267791: Allow entering Wikidata sitelinks to sites that have an ID containing hyphens (not matching the database name)

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T267791: Allow entering Wikidata sitelinks to sites that have an ID containing hyphens (not matching the database name)

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T267791: Allow entering Wikidata sitelinks to sites that have an ID containing hyphens (not matching the database name)

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T267791: Allow entering Wikidata sitelinks to sites that have an ID containing hyphens (not matching the database name)

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T267791: Allow entering Wikidata sitelinks to sites that have an ID containing hyphens (not matching the database name)

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T267791: Allow entering Wikidata sitelinks to sites that have an ID containing hyphens (not matching the database name)

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T267791: Allow entering Wikidata sitelinks to sites that have an ID containing hyphens (not matching the database name)

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T267791: Allow entering Wikidata sitelinks to sites that have an ID containing hyphens (not matching the database name)

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T267791: Allow entering Wikidata sitelinks to sites that have an ID containing hyphens (not matching the database name)

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T267791: Allow entering Wikidata sitelinks to sites that have an ID containing hyphens (not matching the database name)

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T267791: Allow entering Wikidata sitelinks to sites that have an ID containing hyphens (not matching the database name)

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T267791: Allow entering Wikidata sitelinks to sites that have an ID containing hyphens (not matching the database name)

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T267791: Allow entering Wikidata sitelinks to sites that have an ID containing hyphens (not matching the database name)

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T267791: Allow entering Wikidata sitelinks to sites that have an ID containing hyphens (not matching the database name)

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T267791: Allow entering Wikidata sitelinks to sites that have an ID containing hyphens (not matching the database name)

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T267791: Allow entering Wikidata sitelinks to sites that have an ID containing hyphens (not matching the database name)

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T267791: Allow entering Wikidata sitelinks to sites that have an ID containing hyphens (not matching the database name)

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T267791: Allow entering Wikidata sitelinks to sites that have an ID containing hyphens (not matching the database name)

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T267791: Allow entering Wikidata sitelinks to sites that have an ID containing hyphens (not matching the database name)

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T267791: Allow entering Wikidata sitelinks to sites that have an ID containing hyphens (not matching the database name)

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T267791: Allow entering Wikidata sitelinks to sites that have an ID containing hyphens (not matching the database name)

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T267791: Allow entering Wikidata sitelinks to sites that have an ID containing hyphens (not matching the database name)

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T267791: Allow entering Wikidata sitelinks to sites that have an ID containing hyphens (not matching the database name)

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