[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T144272: new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking)
Lea_Lacroix_WMDE added a comment. Hello to all the subscribers of this task, I'd like to raise awareness on this consultation about issues encountered when requesting new languages in Wikidata. Since this is directly connected to the process that currently goes through creating subtasks here, I thought you may want to give your opinion before we try to address the issues. Thanks a lot for taking a bit of time for this :)TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144272EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Lea_Lacroix_WMDECc: satdeep_gill, Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, C933103, Nikerabbit, Mbch331, Lydia_Pintscher, Zoranzoki21, Nikki, Amire80, jhsoby, Liuxinyu970226, GerardM, Aklapper, Esc3300, Nickleh, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, D3r1ck01, Wikidata-bugs, aude___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T144272: new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking)
Nikki added a comment. @Amire80 Would all of what Wikidata wants (see previous comment) be allowed in the language-data database? @jhsoby I see you're also interested in using the language-data database instead, what do you think about the different types of codes in my previous comment?TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144272EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: NikkiCc: satdeep_gill, Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, C933103, Nikerabbit, Mbch331, Lydia_Pintscher, Zoranzoki21, Nikki, Amire80, jhsoby, Liuxinyu970226, GerardM, Aklapper, Esc3300, stebsco, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, Wikidata-bugs, aude___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T144272: new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking)
Nikki added a comment. In T144272#4399346, @Amire80 wrote: Now that I think of it, I'm not sure whether they are written anywhere :) But a valid ISO 639 3 code is definitely a criterion. Is there anything else that Wikidata requires? Wikidata's own criteria (from https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Monolingual_text_languages#Requirements_for_a_new_language_code) suggest that anything with a valid IETF language tag should be allowed. The requests so far have included ancient languages, artificial languages, country variants, script variants, other variants with a registered subtag and codes involving macrolanguages.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144272EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: NikkiCc: satdeep_gill, Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, C933103, Nikerabbit, Mbch331, Lydia_Pintscher, Zoranzoki21, Nikki, Amire80, jhsoby, Liuxinyu970226, GerardM, thiemowmde, Aklapper, Esc3300, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, Wikidata-bugs, aude___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T144272: new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking)
Amire80 added a comment. In T144272#4399315, @Nikki wrote: In T144272#4399198, @Amire80 wrote: The criteria for adding a language to this database are pretty much the same as the general Wikimedia criteria. If anybody finds a discrepancy in the criteria, let me know. What are the general Wikimedia criteria? Now that I think of it, I'm not sure whether they are written anywhere :) But a valid ISO 639 3 code is definitely a criterion. Is there anything else that Wikidata requires?TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144272EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Amire80Cc: satdeep_gill, Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, C933103, Nikerabbit, Mbch331, Lydia_Pintscher, Zoranzoki21, Nikki, Amire80, jhsoby, Liuxinyu970226, GerardM, thiemowmde, Aklapper, Esc3300, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, Wikidata-bugs, aude___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T144272: new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking)
Nikki added a comment. In T144272#4399198, @Amire80 wrote: The criteria for adding a language to this database are pretty much the same as the general Wikimedia criteria. If anybody finds a discrepancy in the criteria, let me know. What are the general Wikimedia criteria?TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144272EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: NikkiCc: satdeep_gill, Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, C933103, Nikerabbit, Mbch331, Lydia_Pintscher, Zoranzoki21, Nikki, Amire80, jhsoby, Liuxinyu970226, GerardM, thiemowmde, Aklapper, Esc3300, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, Wikidata-bugs, aude___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T144272: new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking)
Amire80 added a comment. As I suggested above, I recommend reusing the language-data database for this. It is also used in the UniversalLanguageSelector, which is a dependency for Wikibase, so it's safe to assume that it's installed on Wikidata. The criteria for adding a language to this database are pretty much the same as the general Wikimedia criteria. If anybody finds a discrepancy in the criteria, let me know.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144272EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Amire80Cc: satdeep_gill, Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, C933103, Nikerabbit, Mbch331, Lydia_Pintscher, Zoranzoki21, Nikki, Amire80, jhsoby, Liuxinyu970226, GerardM, thiemowmde, Aklapper, Esc3300, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, Wikidata-bugs, aude___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T144272: new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking)
Lydia_Pintscher added a comment. This is not about new languages for labels. This ticket and its subtickets are (almost all) explicitly about new languages for monolingual text values in statements. And Léa and I get asked a lot why this is being held up and we don't have a good answer. I don't want to do this but if this process isn't working I have to find another way in the interest of the project.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144272EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Lydia_PintscherCc: satdeep_gill, Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, C933103, Nikerabbit, Mbch331, Lydia_Pintscher, Zoranzoki21, Nikki, Amire80, jhsoby, Liuxinyu970226, GerardM, thiemowmde, Aklapper, Esc3300, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, Wikidata-bugs, aude___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T144272: new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking)
GerardM added a comment. Hoi, In the past we have been where we are now with Wikidata and new language codes with new Wikipedias. The result was mayhem, and everything was just as the "community" decided. The result is the many Wikipedias that have no community. As a result the Language Committee took the place of "the community"and from that moment new Wikipedias do conform to standards. I have seen too many requests that are problematic that will in my opinion not bring anything to Wikidata. I find a lack of purpose in what is proposed. I do understand a purpose for texts as they were originally but where is the purpose in adding labels that have arbitrarily transliterated in other scripts. There is no point. It is not the "community" supporting this it hidden in phabricator. Thanks, GerardMTASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144272EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: GerardMCc: satdeep_gill, Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, C933103, Nikerabbit, Mbch331, Lydia_Pintscher, Zoranzoki21, Nikki, Amire80, jhsoby, Liuxinyu970226, GerardM, thiemowmde, Aklapper, Esc3300, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, Wikidata-bugs, aude___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T144272: new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking)
satdeep_gill added a comment. In T144272#3556454, @GerardM wrote: Hoi, The consideration has been only is it a valid code. The question asked is a different one. What is the point to all these codes that probably do not bring anything to Wikidata. Thanks, GerardM I believe we should let the community decide that.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144272EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: satdeep_gillCc: satdeep_gill, Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, C933103, Nikerabbit, Mbch331, Lydia_Pintscher, Zoranzoki21, Nikki, Amire80, jhsoby, Liuxinyu970226, GerardM, thiemowmde, Aklapper, Esc3300, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, Wikidata-bugs, aude___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T144272: new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking)
GerardM added a comment. Hoi, What I find is totally unreadable. Thanks, GerardMTASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144272EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: GerardMCc: C933103, Nikerabbit, Mbch331, Lydia_Pintscher, Zoranzoki21, Nikki, Amire80, jhsoby, Liuxinyu970226, GerardM, thiemowmde, Aklapper, Esc3300, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Wikidata-bugs, aude___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T144272: new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking)
Zoranzoki21 added a comment. Can any from langcom respond on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/374052/?TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144272EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Zoranzoki21Cc: C933103, Nikerabbit, Mbch331, Lydia_Pintscher, Zoranzoki21, Nikki, Amire80, jhsoby, Liuxinyu970226, GerardM, thiemowmde, Aklapper, Esc3300, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Wikidata-bugs, aude___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T144272: new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking)
C933103 added a comment. Are you implying that those monolingual language code I'm submitting does not represent anything useful? nan/cdo/hak-Hant/hans are language-script combinations being used to write wikipedia articles, and vi-hani, ko-kore, ja-Kyujitai are used to name people and things in respective countries. How do you write the name of "Ho Chi Minh City" in Vietnamese Han nom? The only place providing this info in wikidata for now is in the Japanese alias for the entry name. How about "Kim Jong-Il" in ko-Kore? Look at the Slovak alias. Is it better than having labels for each of these script variants?TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144272EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: C933103Cc: C933103, Nikerabbit, Mbch331, Lydia_Pintscher, Zoranzoki21, Nikki, Amire80, jhsoby, Liuxinyu970226, GerardM, thiemowmde, Aklapper, Esc3300, Lahi, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Wikidata-bugs, aude___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T144272: new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking)
GerardM added a comment. I think that we should stop with these stamp collections there is no argument why we want to do this, we have seen that the meaning given often differs substantially from what the standard is. It makes more sense to study the effect of the introduction of Wiktionary content.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144272EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: GerardMCc: Nikerabbit, Mbch331, Lydia_Pintscher, Zoranzoki21, Nikki, Amire80, jhsoby, Liuxinyu970226, GerardM, thiemowmde, Aklapper, Esc3300, Lahi, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Wikidata-bugs, aude___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T144272: new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking)
GerardM added a comment. Hoi, The consideration has been only is it a valid code. The question asked is a different one. What is the point to all these codes that probably do not bring anything to Wikidata. Thanks, GerardMTASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144272EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: GerardMCc: Mbch331, Lydia_Pintscher, Zoranzoki21, Nikki, Amire80, jhsoby, Liuxinyu970226, GerardM, thiemowmde, Aklapper, Esc3300, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T144272: new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking)
Zoranzoki21 added a comment. Patch for assigned requests to me: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/374052/TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144272EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Zoranzoki21Cc: Zoranzoki21, Nikki, Amire80, jhsoby, Liuxinyu970226, GerardM, thiemowmde, Aklapper, Esc3300, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T144272: new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking)
GerardM added a comment. Hoi, I asked in the past why codes were added. In principle, we could include them all but there is no clarity why codes are proposed. As a consequence I lost interest. So I agree with Amir that some sanity would be in order. Thanks, GerardMTASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144272EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: GerardMCc: Nikki, Amire80, jhsoby, Liuxinyu970226, GerardM, thiemowmde, Aklapper, Esc3300, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T144272: new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking)
Amire80 added a comment. OK, I still have my question (T144272#3322282): Why are languages still added in PHP code, such as https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/370308/2/repo/includes/WikibaseRepo.php ? This is data. This is not supposed to be code. It's a really bad practice. We already have too many repositories of language codes. I strongly suggest scrapping getMonolingualTextLanguages() and adding these codes to the same langdb that is used by the UniversalLanguageSelector extension. Recently it was separated to its own repository: https://github.com/santhoshtr/language-data (it's about to be moved under the wikimedia account). Languages are added to a YAML file, which is also autoconverted to JSON, and it's usable on backend and on frontend. Please, let's have less places for language codes, not more.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144272EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Amire80Cc: Nikki, Amire80, jhsoby, Liuxinyu970226, GerardM, thiemowmde, Aklapper, Esc3300, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T144272: new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking)
Nikki added a comment. In T144272#3322282, @Amire80 wrote: I have a general question here: Are these languages codes provided in WikibaseRepo.php in addition to anything? I mean, where does the basic list come from? Core Names.php? ULS's langdb? A wikidata.org query? A defined subset of CLDR? Something else? I may have misunderstood something and things might have changed since I last looked into it, but from what I previously managed to piece together, the list available for monolingual text consists of: All the usual MediaWiki languages from https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/source/mediawiki/browse/master/languages/data/Names.php All the languages in wmgExtraLanguageNames from https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/source/mediawiki-config/browse/HEAD/wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php;eba0993c096fc01374ea439bffcf875a5d6f74ac$16323 (these are additional languages which can be used both for labels and for monolingual text) All the languages in the first array in getMonolingualTextLanguages from https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/diffusion/EWBA/browse/HEAD/repo/includes/WikibaseRepo.php;da65ffa15b2d8412a1bdf1a9d56c41ea4de69733$1670 (these are additional languages which can only be used for monolingual text) excluding the languages in the second array in getMonolingualTextLanguages.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144272EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: NikkiCc: Nikki, Amire80, jhsoby, Liuxinyu970226, GerardM, thiemowmde, Aklapper, Esc3300, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T144272: new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking)
Amire80 added a comment. I have a general question here: Are these languages codes provided in WikibaseRepo.php in addition to anything? I mean, where does the basic list come from? Core Names.php? ULS's langdb? A wikidata.org query? A defined subset of CLDR? Something else? I couldn't find an answer to this at any of the pages linked from the task description. I feel quite uncomfortable about a yet-another growing list of language codes in the MediaWiki+extensions codebase. Special codes like mul and und can be in a special place, but there's nothing very special about brx or kjh.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144272EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Amire80Cc: Amire80, jhsoby, Liuxinyu970226, GerardM, thiemowmde, Aklapper, Esc3300, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T144272: new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking)
GerardM added a comment. Hoi, First there has to be agreement on the use of codes like this in the language committee. Thanks, GerardMTASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144272EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: GerardMCc: jhsoby, Liuxinyu970226, GerardM, thiemowmde, Aklapper, Esc3300, mschwarzer, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T144272: new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking)
Esc3300 added a comment. wrong task and off topicTASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144272EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Esc3300Cc: matej_suchanek, jhsoby, Liuxinyu970226, GerardM, thiemowmde, Aklapper, Esc3300, mschwarzer, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T144272: new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking)
matej_suchanek added a comment. I think you answered to a wrong task, @GerardM.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144272EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: matej_suchanekCc: matej_suchanek, jhsoby, Liuxinyu970226, GerardM, thiemowmde, Aklapper, Esc3300, mschwarzer, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T144272: new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking)
GerardM added a comment. Hoi, This is not a language with an ISO-639-3 code and therefore it should not be created. Thanks, GerardMTASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144272EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: GerardMCc: jhsoby, Liuxinyu970226, GerardM, thiemowmde, Aklapper, Esc3300, mschwarzer, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
