[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T221774: Add Wikidata query service lag to Wikidata maxlag

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  Change 589873 **merged** by jenkins-bot:
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikidata.org@master] Switch query service maxlag to be 
median +1
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/589873

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T221774: Add Wikidata query service lag to Wikidata maxlag

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  Change 589874 abandoned by Addshore:
  Switch query service maxlag to be median  1
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/589874

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T221774: Add Wikidata query service lag to Wikidata maxlag

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  Change 589874 had a related patch set uploaded (by Addshore; owner: Addshore):
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikidata.org@wmf/1.35.0-wmf.28] Switch query service 
maxlag to be median +1
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/589874

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T221774: Add Wikidata query service lag to Wikidata maxlag

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  Change 589873 had a related patch set uploaded (by Addshore; owner: Addshore):
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikidata.org@master] Switch query service maxlag to be 
median +1
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/589873

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T221774: Add Wikidata query service lag to Wikidata maxlag

[Addshore]

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  In T221774#5834478 , 
@Dvorapa wrote:
  
  > Today 8-10s for the whole day, none of Pywikibot tests loading WD succeed 
within timeout. See T243701  for 
more details
  
  Reference for the people looking here:
  
  F31548365: image.png 
  
  Anything above the orange line is maxlag greater than 5

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T221774: Add Wikidata query service lag to Wikidata maxlag

[ArthurPSmith]

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  In T221774#5815408 , 
@Addshore wrote:
  
  > [...]
  > Note that this dashboard includes metrics for both pooled and depooled 
servers.
  > So whatever you read there will likely also be reporting data for servers 
that you can't actually query thus are not seeing the lag for via the query 
service
  
  However there was definitely a significant lag on some (most?) of the wdqs 
servers available for querying when I noticed this problem - updates done over 
an hour previous were not visible when I queried. But it seems to have resolved 
for now.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T221774: Add Wikidata query service lag to Wikidata maxlag

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  In T221774#5813612 , 
@ArthurPSmith wrote:
  
  > Am I misreading this graph? 
https://grafana.wikimedia.org/d/00489/wikidata-query-service?panelId=8=1=now-12h=now=10s
 It looks like the query service lag for 3 of the servers has been growing 
steadily for the past roughly 8 hours. However, edits are going through. Did 
something change in the maxlag logic somewhere earlier today?
  
  Note that this dashboard includes metrics for both pooled and depooled 
servers.
  So whatever you read there will likely also be reporting data for servers 
that you can't actually query thus are not seeing the lag for via the query 
service

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T221774: Add Wikidata query service lag to Wikidata maxlag

[Pintoch]

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  This does not have anything to do with you indeed! I was just trying to 
explain that I stopped trying to help solve this issue (therefore unsubscribing 
from this).

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joker88john, CucyNoiD, Nandana, NebulousIris, Gaboe420, Versusxo, 
Majesticalreaper22, Giuliamocci, Adrian1985, Cpaulf30, Lahi, Gq86, Af420, 
Darkminds3113, Bsandipan, Lordiis, GoranSMilovanovic, Adik2382, Chicocvenancio, 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T221774: Add Wikidata query service lag to Wikidata maxlag

[Multichill]

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  In T221774#5814473 , 
@Pintoch wrote:
  
  > I don't know - I stopped working on this task and T240369 
 since T240374 
 was declined. I don't think I can 
contribute to solving this problem in the current state of affairs, sorry!
  
  Excuse me? What does that have to do with it? Don't put this on me. Maxlag is 
just a configuration setting in Pywikibot and default is 5, there is no "code 
to fix". Every once in a while I might set it to a different value while 
testing so I'm not wasting my time. Generally it's just set to 5.

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[Bugreporter]

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  In T221774#5680891 , 
@Addshore wrote:
  
  > Due to the apparent differences in lag pattern between some of the nodes we 
need to try to get T238751  done so 
that we can use the max lagged server rather than **the median (which we 
currently do)**.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T221774: Add Wikidata query service lag to Wikidata maxlag

[ArthurPSmith]

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  @Bugreporter well something must have changed early today - was it previously 
"mean" and is now "median"? I'm not sure which is better, but having WDQS hours 
out of date (we're over 4 hours now) is NOT a good situation, and what this 
whole task was intended to avoid! @Pintoch any thoughts on this?

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Sjoerddebruin, Aklapper, Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE, Hook696, Daryl-TTMG, 
RomaAmorRoma, 0010318400, E.S.A-Sheild, Iflorez, darthmon_wmde, Meekrab2012, 
joker88john, CucyNoiD, Nandana, NebulousIris, Gaboe420, Versusxo, 
Majesticalreaper22, Giuliamocci, Adrian1985, Cpaulf30, Lahi, Gq86, Af420, 
Darkminds3113, Bsandipan, Lordiis, GoranSMilovanovic, Adik2382, Chicocvenancio, 
Th3d3v1ls, Ramalepe, Liugev6, QZanden, EBjune, merbst, LawExplorer, WSH1906, 
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[Bugreporter]

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  maxlag is currently based on median (not max) of lag of all public servers.

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Sjoerddebruin, Aklapper, Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE, Hook696, Daryl-TTMG, 
RomaAmorRoma, 0010318400, E.S.A-Sheild, Iflorez, darthmon_wmde, Meekrab2012, 
joker88john, CucyNoiD, Nandana, NebulousIris, Gaboe420, Versusxo, 
Majesticalreaper22, Giuliamocci, Adrian1985, Cpaulf30, Lahi, Gq86, Af420, 
Darkminds3113, Bsandipan, Lordiis, GoranSMilovanovic, Adik2382, Chicocvenancio, 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T221774: Add Wikidata query service lag to Wikidata maxlag

[ArthurPSmith]

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  Am I misreading this graph? 
https://grafana.wikimedia.org/d/00489/wikidata-query-service?panelId=8=1=now-12h=now=10s
 It looks like the query service lag for 3 of the servers has been growing 
steadily for the past roughly 8 hours. However, edits are going through. Did 
something change in the maxlag logic somewhere earlier today?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T221774: Add Wikidata query service lag to Wikidata maxlag

[Pintoch]

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  I am first getting in touch with people who seem to be running bots with 
maxlag greater than 5 or no maxlag parameter at all, to see if they would 
accept to follow @Addshore's advice never to use maxlag greater than 5 at all.

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[Lea_Lacroix_WMDE]

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  In T221774#5694863 , 
@Pintoch wrote:
  
  > I will try to implement a responsible throttling strategy in OpenRefine, 
hoping that others will do the same.
  
  Once this is done, if by any chance you want to share and explain how you did 
it, for example in a blog post, so we can share with other tool builders, it 
would be absolutely wonderful <3

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[Pintoch]

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  OK! If you have ways to check what sort of maxlag values are used it would be 
great!
  
  I will try to implement a responsible throttling strategy in OpenRefine, 
hoping that others will do the same.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T221774: Add Wikidata query service lag to Wikidata maxlag

[Addshore]

Addshore added a comment.


  > I think it would be preferable to get a continuous throttling behaviour: 
the higher the lag, the slower the edits.
  
  Sounds sensible to me, 5 should perhaps still be the point at which to stop.
  But if editing slows down when the "maxlag" is 0-5 then maybe we will stop 
reaching 5 in the first place :)
  
  In T221774#5688856 , 
@Pintoch wrote:
  
  > Actually, some tools seem to be doing something like that already, since 
edits are still going through despite max lag being above 5 for more than an 
hour now (Author Disambiguator does this, QuickStatements too probably, 
Edoderoobot too). So these tools use higher (more agressive) maxlag values than 
5.
  
  I can go ahead and check the values probably.
  It is also possible that some bots and tools do not send max lag values.
  
  The theory the logic of maxlag is that it is how lagged the SQL dbs are.
  So, if you have a maxlag of 5, you can wait 5 seconds and in theory that lag 
might now be gone.
  We are now abusing that somewhat by including dispatching and the query 
service lag which don't quite fit that model which is why factors are applied 
to them.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T221774: Add Wikidata query service lag to Wikidata maxlag

[Pintoch]

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  Actually, some tools seem to be doing something like that already, since 
edits are still going through despite max lag being above 5 for more than an 
hour now (Author Disambiguator does this, QuickStatements too probably, 
Edoderoobot too). So these tools use higher (more agressive) maxlag values than 
5.
  
  I will therefore follow their example and publish a new version of OpenRefine 
which does that. It might be worth updating the official recommendations about 
this: if the rule is never to set maxlag higher than 5, then it looks like not 
many are actually following it…

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T221774: Add Wikidata query service lag to Wikidata maxlag

[Pintoch]

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  One problem with the current policy (requesting all automated editing 
processes to use `maxlag=5`) is that this creates a binary threshold: either 
the query service lag is under the threshold, in which case bots will edit at 
full speed, or the query service lag is above the threshold, in which case they 
should all stop editing entirely. This is likely to create an oscillating 
behaviour, where all bots start and stop periodically. This is probably not 
ideal neither for the infrastructure nor for the users.
  
  Not all automated edits are long-running tasks where stopping for an hour is 
acceptable: many QuickStatements or OpenRefine batches are under 10 edits for 
instance. As a user of these tools, I would expect them to slow down when lag 
is high, but stopping entirely should be extremely rare, as it breaks workflows.
  
  I think it would be preferable to get a continuous throttling behaviour: the 
higher the lag, the slower the edits.
  This can already be achieved by clients by using a small maxlag parameter and 
increasing it gradually as they retry. For instance, start with maxlag=2, which 
fails, retry in 1 sec with maxlag=3, which fails, retry in 4 seconds with 
maxlag=4, which fails, retry in 8 seconds with maxlag=5, which fails, retry in 
16 seconds with maxlag=6, which succeeds.
  
  Would such a behaviour be acceptable?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T221774: Add Wikidata query service lag to Wikidata maxlag

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  Mentioned in SAL (#wikimedia-operations) [2019-11-22T12:34:11Z] 
 Synchronized wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php: T221774 
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wgWikidataOrgQueryServiceMaxLagFactor 60 RESYNC (duration: 00m 51s)

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  Mentioned in SAL (#wikimedia-operations) [2019-11-22T12:32:27Z] 
 Synchronized wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php: T221774 
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  Change 552474 **merged** by jenkins-bot:
  [operations/mediawiki-config@master] wgWikidataOrgQueryServiceMaxLagFactor 60
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/552474

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  Change 552474 had a related patch set uploaded (by Addshore; owner: Addshore):
  [operations/mediawiki-config@master] wgWikidataOrgQueryServiceMaxLagFactor 60
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/552474

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T221774: Add Wikidata query service lag to Wikidata maxlag

[Addshore]

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  In T221774#5683786 , 
@Multichill wrote:
  
  > @Addshore what factor are we using right now? Most bots seem to have 
stopped so it might be on the low side.
  
  I have slowly been lowering the factor, just about to set it at 60, so that 1 
minute of lag = 1 second of max lag.
  Once we get down this low, we should end up in a position where getting into 
such a bad state as we have been in over the past days / week is fairly hard / 
impossible.
  I would like to think that the spikes of maxlag would be much smaller, but we 
will see, always open to changing the factor if it doesn't work so well.
  
  F31132633: image.png 
  
  As can be seen with the maxlag over the past 12 hours, it seems to be working.
  
  This system will be much better when T238751 
 is also done.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T221774: Add Wikidata query service lag to Wikidata maxlag

[Multichill]

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  @Addshore what factor are we using right now? Most bots seem to have stopped 
so it might be on the low side.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T221774: Add Wikidata query service lag to Wikidata maxlag

[Bugreporter]

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  Actually maxlag may be more than 5 second for up to one hour. tools should 
not break (not "give up") even no edits can not be made.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T221774: Add Wikidata query service lag to Wikidata maxlag

[Pintoch]

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  So this is what we get with an exponential back-off (1.5 factor), at the 
moment:
  
22:37:27.148 [..baseapi.WbEditingAction] [maxlag] Waiting for all: 
5.49167 seconds lagged. -- pausing for 1000 milliseconds. (19338ms)
22:37:28.729 [..baseapi.WbEditingAction] [maxlag] Waiting for all: 
5.49167 seconds lagged. -- pausing for 1500 milliseconds. (1581ms)
22:37:33.809 [..baseapi.WbEditingAction] [maxlag] Waiting for all: 
5.49167 seconds lagged. -- pausing for 2250 milliseconds. (5080ms)
22:37:37.931 [..baseapi.WbEditingAction] [maxlag] Waiting for all: 
5.49167 seconds lagged. -- pausing for 3375 milliseconds. (4122ms)
22:37:42.663 [..baseapi.WbEditingAction] [maxlag] Waiting for all: 
5.49167 seconds lagged. -- pausing for 5062 milliseconds. (4732ms)
22:37:49.437 [..baseapi.WbEditingAction] [maxlag] Waiting for all: 
5.49167 seconds lagged. -- pausing for 7593 milliseconds. (6774ms)
22:37:58.429 [..baseapi.WbEditingAction] [maxlag] Waiting for all: 
5.49167 seconds lagged. -- pausing for 11389 milliseconds. (8992ms)
22:38:18.217 [..baseapi.WbEditingAction] [maxlag] Waiting for all: 6 
seconds lagged. -- pausing for 17083 milliseconds. (19788ms)
22:38:36.461 [..baseapi.WbEditingAction] [maxlag] Waiting for all: 6 
seconds lagged. -- pausing for 25624 milliseconds. (18244ms)
22:39:05.013 [..baseapi.WbEditingAction] [maxlag] Waiting for all: 
6.46667 seconds lagged. -- pausing for 38436 milliseconds. (28552ms)
  
  So it looks like this means no OpenRefine edits at all with these new rules, 
in the current situation.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T221774: Add Wikidata query service lag to Wikidata maxlag

[Tagishsimon]

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  Notable that WDQS lag seems to be paying not a blind bit of notice to this 
change :(
  
  WDQS 1005-7 all at ~3 hours.
  
  
https://grafana.wikimedia.org/d/00489/wikidata-query-service?orgId=1=8

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[Pintoch]

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  Thanks for the notification! I would be happy to release a new version of 
OpenRefine with a patch applied - I can do this in the coming days. The 
exponential back-off suggested by @Multichill makes sense intuitively - could 
WMDE confirm that this is the policy they recommend? Happy to adapt the policy 
as required.

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[Multichill]

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  In T221774#5679442 , 
@Bugreporter wrote:
  
  > Currently multiple tools are broken because the time that make maxlag back 
to normal is much longer than the total time the tool retries edits (see this 
 and this 
).
  
  Good that this change works as intended? Tools should be updated to handle 
maxlag in a graceful manner. Retry time should not be something fixed, but 
something which increases if you get it or not. So 5, 10, 20, 40, 80, etc. This 
also makes sure that not all tools restart at the same time.

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  Mentioned in SAL (#wikimedia-operations) [2019-11-20T18:56:43Z] 
 Synchronized wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php: RESYNC 
T221774  - 
wgWikidataOrgQueryServiceMaxLagFactor 120 (duration: 00m 50s)

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  Mentioned in SAL (#wikimedia-operations) [2019-11-20T18:42:56Z] 
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[Addshore]

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  The first sync didn't seem to do the trick, but the second one did.
  
  The discovery team suggested that perhaps median might not be the best option.
  We should investigate using 
https://config-master.wikimedia.org/pybal/eqiad/wdqs and 
https://config-master.wikimedia.org/pybal/codfw/wdqs to load the lag state of 
ONLY pooled servers, and then we could actually use max.
  
  Will probably do this in a separate ticket.

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  Change 552071 **merged** by jenkins-bot:
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikidata.org@master] qsmaxlag, send altered lag info, 
not only raw lag
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/552071

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T221774: Add Wikidata query service lag to Wikidata maxlag

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  Now deployed and working
  
  
https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=query=MediaWiki=json=-1
  
  Current maxlag for wikidata is roughly 10 due to the query service

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  Mentioned in SAL (#wikimedia-operations) [2019-11-20T14:52:39Z] 
 Synchronized wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php: T221774 
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wgWikidataOrgQueryServiceMaxLagFactor 180 [[gerrit:552069]] (duration: 00m 52s)

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  Mentioned in SAL (#wikimedia-operations) [2019-11-20T14:50:53Z] 
 Synchronized php-1.35.0-wmf.5/extensions/Wikidata.org: 
T221774  - Wikidata.org extension 
(use altered lag, not raw lag) [[gerrit:552072]] (duration: 00m 53s)

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  Change 552072 had a related patch set uploaded (by Addshore; owner: Addshore):
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikidata.org@wmf/1.35.0-wmf.5] qsmaxlag, send altered 
lag info, not only raw lag
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/552072

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  Change 552072 **merged** by Addshore:
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikidata.org@wmf/1.35.0-wmf.5] qsmaxlag, send altered 
lag info, not only raw lag
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/552072

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  Change 552071 had a related patch set uploaded (by Addshore; owner: Addshore):
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikidata.org@master] qsmaxlag, send altered lag info, 
not only raw lag
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/552071

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  Change 552069 **merged** by jenkins-bot:
  [operations/mediawiki-config@master] wgWikidataOrgQueryServiceMaxLagFactor 180
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/552069

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  Change 552069 had a related patch set uploaded (by Addshore; owner: Addshore):
  [operations/mediawiki-config@master] wgWikidataOrgQueryServiceMaxLagFactor 180
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/552069

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  Change 551582 **merged** by Giuseppe Lavagetto:
  [operations/puppet@production] mediawiki/wikidata maint cron for 
updateQueryServiceLag
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/551582

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CucyNoiD, Nandana, NebulousIris, Gaboe420, Versusxo, Majesticalreaper22, 
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  Mentioned in SAL (#wikimedia-operations) [2019-11-19T18:20:28Z] 
 Synchronized php-1.35.0-wmf.5/extensions/Wikidata.org: 
T221774  - Wikidata.org extension 
(queryservice maxlag, hook) [[gerrit:551858]] (duration: 00m 53s)

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  Just the cron job to go now

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  Change 551858 **merged** by jenkins-bot:
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikidata.org@wmf/1.35.0-wmf.5] Add ApiMaxLagInfo hook
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/551858

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Giuliamocci, Adrian1985, Cpaulf30, Lahi, Gq86, Af420, Darkminds3113, Bsandipan, 
Lordiis, GoranSMilovanovic, Adik2382, Chicocvenancio, Th3d3v1ls, Ramalepe, 
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  Change 551869 **merged** by jenkins-bot:
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikidata.org@master] onApiMaxLagInfo ttl to 1
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/551869

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  Mentioned in SAL (#wikimedia-operations) [2019-11-19T17:43:52Z] 
 Synchronized php-1.35.0-wmf.5/extensions/Wikidata.org: 
T221774  - Wikidata.org extension 
(queryservice maxlag, maint script) [[gerrit:551857]] (duration: 00m 52s)

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  Change 551857 **merged** by jenkins-bot:
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikidata.org@wmf/1.35.0-wmf.5] Maintenance script to 
update cached wdqs lag
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/551857

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  Change 551869 had a related patch set uploaded (by Addshore; owner: Addshore):
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikidata.org@master] onApiMaxLagInfo ttl to 1
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/551869

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  Mentioned in SAL (#wikimedia-operations) [2019-11-19T17:11:30Z] 
 Synchronized php-1.35.0-wmf.5/extensions/Wikidata.org: 
T221774  - Wikidata.org extension 
(queryservice maxlag) [[gerrit:551855]] [[gerrit:551856]] (duration: 00m 54s)

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  Change 551856 **merged** by jenkins-bot:
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikidata.org@wmf/1.35.0-wmf.5] Switch from 
load_composer_autoloader AutoloadNamespaces
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/551856

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  Change 551855 **merged** by jenkins-bot:
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikidata.org@wmf/1.35.0-wmf.5] Add WDQS lag into 
request maxlag logic.
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/551855

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E.S.A-Sheild, Iflorez, darthmon_wmde, Meekrab2012, joker88john, DannyS712, 
CucyNoiD, Nandana, NebulousIris, Gaboe420, Versusxo, Majesticalreaper22, 
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  Change 551857 had a related patch set uploaded (by Addshore; owner: Addshore):
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikidata.org@wmf/1.35.0-wmf.5] Maintenance script to 
update cached wdqs lag
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/551857

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E.S.A-Sheild, Iflorez, darthmon_wmde, Meekrab2012, joker88john, DannyS712, 
CucyNoiD, Nandana, NebulousIris, Gaboe420, Versusxo, Majesticalreaper22, 
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Lordiis, GoranSMilovanovic, Adik2382, Chicocvenancio, Th3d3v1ls, Ramalepe, 
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  Change 551856 had a related patch set uploaded (by Addshore; owner: Addshore):
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikidata.org@wmf/1.35.0-wmf.5] Switch from 
load_composer_autoloader AutoloadNamespaces
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/551856

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hoo, Daniel_Mietchen, MisterSynergy, Addshore, Sjoerddebruin, Aklapper, 
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E.S.A-Sheild, Iflorez, darthmon_wmde, Meekrab2012, joker88john, DannyS712, 
CucyNoiD, Nandana, NebulousIris, Gaboe420, Versusxo, Majesticalreaper22, 
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Lordiis, GoranSMilovanovic, Adik2382, Chicocvenancio, Th3d3v1ls, Ramalepe, 
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  Just prepared the patches needed to backport this (as otherwise it won't go 
out with the train and land for 2-3 weeks.

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CucyNoiD, Nandana, NebulousIris, Gaboe420, Versusxo, Majesticalreaper22, 
Giuliamocci, Adrian1985, Cpaulf30, Lahi, Gq86, Af420, Darkminds3113, Bsandipan, 
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  Change 551855 had a related patch set uploaded (by Addshore; owner: Alaa 
Sarhan):
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikidata.org@wmf/1.35.0-wmf.5] Add WDQS lag into 
request maxlag logic.
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/551855

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hoo, Daniel_Mietchen, MisterSynergy, Addshore, Sjoerddebruin, Aklapper, 
Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE, Hook696, Daryl-TTMG, RomaAmorRoma, 0010318400, 
E.S.A-Sheild, Iflorez, darthmon_wmde, Meekrab2012, joker88john, DannyS712, 
CucyNoiD, Nandana, NebulousIris, Gaboe420, Versusxo, Majesticalreaper22, 
Giuliamocci, Adrian1985, Cpaulf30, Lahi, Gq86, Af420, Darkminds3113, Bsandipan, 
Lordiis, GoranSMilovanovic, Adik2382, Chicocvenancio, Th3d3v1ls, Ramalepe, 
Liugev6, QZanden, EBjune, merbst, LawExplorer, WSH1906, Lewizho99, Volans, 
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  Change 551858 had a related patch set uploaded (by Addshore; owner: Addshore):
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikidata.org@wmf/1.35.0-wmf.5] Add ApiMaxLagInfo hook
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/551858

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hoo, Daniel_Mietchen, MisterSynergy, Addshore, Sjoerddebruin, Aklapper, 
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E.S.A-Sheild, Iflorez, darthmon_wmde, Meekrab2012, joker88john, DannyS712, 
CucyNoiD, Nandana, NebulousIris, Gaboe420, Versusxo, Majesticalreaper22, 
Giuliamocci, Adrian1985, Cpaulf30, Lahi, Gq86, Af420, Darkminds3113, Bsandipan, 
Lordiis, GoranSMilovanovic, Adik2382, Chicocvenancio, Th3d3v1ls, Ramalepe, 
Liugev6, QZanden, EBjune, merbst, LawExplorer, WSH1906, Lewizho99, Volans, 
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  Change 551574 **merged** by jenkins-bot:
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikidata.org@master] Add ApiMaxLagInfo hook
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/551574

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hoo, Daniel_Mietchen, MisterSynergy, Addshore, Sjoerddebruin, Aklapper, 
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E.S.A-Sheild, Iflorez, darthmon_wmde, Meekrab2012, joker88john, DannyS712, 
CucyNoiD, Nandana, NebulousIris, Gaboe420, Versusxo, Majesticalreaper22, 
Giuliamocci, Adrian1985, Cpaulf30, Lahi, Gq86, Af420, Darkminds3113, Bsandipan, 
Lordiis, GoranSMilovanovic, Adik2382, Chicocvenancio, Th3d3v1ls, Ramalepe, 
Liugev6, QZanden, EBjune, merbst, LawExplorer, WSH1906, Lewizho99, Volans, 
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  Change 551520 **merged** by jenkins-bot:
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikidata.org@master] Maintenance script to update 
cached wdqs lag
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/551520

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  Change 551640 **merged** by jenkins-bot:
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikidata.org@master] Switch from 
load_composer_autoloader AutoloadNamespaces
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/551640

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  Change 551640 had a related patch set uploaded (by Addshore; owner: Addshore):
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikidata.org@master] Switch from 
load_composer_autoloader AutoloadNamespaces
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/551640

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  Change 551582 had a related patch set uploaded (by Addshore; owner: Addshore):
  [operations/puppet@production] DNM: mediawiki/wikidata maint cron for 
updateQueryServiceLag
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/551582

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  Change 551574 had a related patch set uploaded (by Addshore; owner: Addshore):
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikidata.org@master] Add ApiMaxLagInfo hook
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/551574

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  Change 532495 **merged** by jenkins-bot:
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikidata.org@master] Add WDQS lag into request maxlag 
logic.
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/532495

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  Change 551520 had a related patch set uploaded (by Addshore; owner: Addshore):
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikidata.org@master] Maintenance script to update 
cached wdqs lag
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/551520

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  Current patch being worked on is 
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/mediawiki/extensions/Wikidata.org/+/532495/

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  Change 532968 **merged** by jenkins-bot:
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikidata.org@master] Add ADR for the solution design on 
including WDQS lag into maxlag
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/532968

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  Change 532968 had a related patch set uploaded (by Alaa Sarhan; owner: Alaa 
Sarhan):
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikidata.org@master] Add ADR for the solution design on 
including WDQS lag into maxlag
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/532968

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  Change 512393 abandoned by Alaa Sarhan:
  Add Wikidata query service lag to Wikidata maxlag
  
  Reason:
  moving it to Wikidata.org
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/512393

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  Change 532495 had a related patch set uploaded (by Alaa Sarhan; owner: Alaa 
Sarhan):
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikidata.org@master] [WIP] Add WDQS lag into request 
maxlag logic.
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/532495

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  In T221774#5437227 , 
@Tarrow wrote:
  
  > I think I favour **option 1** assuming that the service we are planning to 
implement is the Prometheus based one.
  
  Yeap sorry for not making that clear before. We agreed to go with Prometheus 
for now. A SPARQL solution can as well be implemented later but left out of 
scope of this task.
  
  > If we are actually planning on the SPARQL based on then I think **option 
0** could make more sense and defaulting to turned on with the option to 
disable it if 3rd parties really want.
  
  Agree, when we add SPARQL one we probably want to keep it in Wikibase itself 
for the beginning (as there's no other place anyway.. but who knows until then 
;)

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  I think I favour **option 1** assuming that the service we are planning to 
implement is the Prometheus based one.
  
  If we are actually planning on the SPARQL based on then I think **option 0** 
could make more sense and defaulting to turned on with the option to disable it 
if 3rd parties really want.

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[alaa_wmde]

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  So regarding where this thing should live. I have thought about it a bit more 
and have the follow options:
  
  **Option 0** Keep the service in Wikibase codebase.
  In this case, we will have to either:
  
  1. provide a configuration to enable/add that service so that other wikibase 
instances that are separate from Wikidata can turn it off. The default we 
choose for this configuration will also determine whether it is on those other 
instance to disable it, or whether it is on us (in Wikidata.org extension) to 
enable it.
  2. configure nothing in wikibase iteself, and only hook into ApiMaxLagInfo 
 in Wikidata.org 
extension.
  
  **Option 1** Put it in Wikidata.org extensions directly.
  
  - When commons and other sites want also to use it, then they can follow the 
same pattern and create extensions to configure their production
  - Eventually we can extract the actual service as an external library (to 
avoid too much copy-pasting maintenance style) => those configuration 
extensions would then use that library
  
  **Option 2** Create a separate extensions, say WDQSLagProvider
  
  - Wikidata.org extension then checks for that WDQSLagProvider existence, and 
adds it to maxlag if so.
  - Other sites, like commons, can also do the same
  
  
  
  I'm more for option 1 as it seems the least cost, and moving from there to 
option 2 or to a librarized service is not so complicated. Not very keen on 
option 0, which can be a temporary one, but there doesn't seem to be any 
blockers on going with option 1 instead nor that it will cost much more initial 
effort.

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  :D 
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/admin/projects/mediawiki/extensions/Wikidata.org 
why didn't occur to me to look exactly for that before 樂 .. neat

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[Addshore]

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  replies to 2 comments inline
  
  In T221774#5296984 , 
@alaa_wmde wrote:
  
  > That thing is definitely better to live outside of Wikibase codebase, if 
possible, in an extension/external library that is more Wikidata. is there such 
place? what is "Wikidata.org extension"? and did you want to name it 
`WikidataPrometheusSparqlEndpointReplicationStatus` (Wikidata instead of 
Wikimedia), or why Wikimedia?
  
  
  The Wikidata.org extension might make sense.
  BUT
  Once SDOC and commons starts sending data to the wdqs then we will also need 
this code to be on commons.
  the Wikidata.org extension is only on wikidata.org.
  
  There is also the WikimediaEvents extension, that by name this doesnt totally 
fit into, but might be the "right" place for now, and conditionally run for 
wikibases hooked up to a query service.
  
  > I'm also wondering if the whole thing (interface and other implmenetation 
`SparqlEndpointReplicationStatusStateHandler` etc) can as well live outside 
Wikibase Repo? (I'm assuming Wikibase Repo has no code related to WDQS but I 
can certainly be off here, haven't checked yet).
  > 
  >> Do we (also?) want to have a pure SPARQL implementation?
  > 
  > In case we do Prometheus based solution, then I wouldn't keep two 
implementations unless I want to use one as a fallback for the other one. Are 
you thinking of using SPARQL implementation as a fallback in case Prometheus is 
not reachable?
  
  Thinking about this more I think this code could live just fine in 
Wikibase.get itself, and just be configurable.
  There is no reason that over users of wikibase and the query service would 
not want to use this.
  
  In T221774#5297123 , @hoo 
wrote:
  
  > We could create a small hook in Wikibase that lets us inject arbitrary 
things into max lag… and then in Wikidata.org 
 do all the 
interaction with Prometheus and inject the lag.
  
  
  See comment above about wikidata.org vs wikibase repose in general.
  
  >>> Do we (also?) want to have a pure SPARQL implementation?
  >> 
  >> In case we do Prometheus based solution, then I wouldn't keep two 
implementations unless I want to use one as a fallback for the other one. Are 
you thinking of using SPARQL implementation as a fallback in case Prometheus is 
not reachable?
  > 
  > I mostly thought that might be useful for third party instance that only 
run one-instance query services... but it might be better to stick with YAGNI 
and just implement this in Wikidata.org for Wikidata.
  
  I agree, not yet :) lets just fix it for us first.

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[Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE]

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  In T221774#5297123 , @hoo 
wrote:
  
  > >> If yes, where should WikimediaPrometheusSparqlEndpointReplicationStatus 
live? Here or in the Wikidata.org extension?
  > > 
  > > That thing is definitely better to live outside of Wikibase codebase, if 
possible, in an extension/external library that is more Wikidata. is there such 
place? what is "Wikidata.org extension"? and did you want to name it 
`WikidataPrometheusSparqlEndpointReplicationStatus` (Wikidata instead of 
Wikimedia), or why Wikimedia?
  > > 
  > > I'm also wondering if the whole thing (interface and other implmenetation 
`SparqlEndpointReplicationStatusStateHandler` etc) can as well live outside 
Wikibase Repo? (I'm assuming Wikibase Repo has no code related to WDQS but I 
can certainly be off here, haven't checked yet).
  >
  > We could create a small hook in Wikibase that lets us inject arbitrary 
things into max lag… and then in Wikidata.org 
 do all the 
interaction with Prometheus and inject the lag.
  
  
  There already is a hook 
 for it, that’s how 
Wikibase does it :) maxlag is managed by core, after all.

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[hoo]

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  In T221774#5296984 , 
@alaa_wmde wrote:
  
  > @maho re feedback on 
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase/+/512393
  >
  > > Do we even want to do this via Prometheus 
(WikimediaPrometheusSparqlEndpointReplicationStatus)
  >
  > Sounds like the right thing to do so to me too, as per 
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T221774#5165165. Warning though, I have very 
limited knowledge so far on what Prometheus is setup to monitor in our stack. 
Links are welcome :)
  >
  > If I understand correctly, it's main and probably only downside is when 
Prometheus has outdated data on the lag for some reason (if WDQS instance is 
down/depooled? or the refresh job fails often?) .. which is the same scenario 
that raises your last questions, I believe:
  >
  > > Shall we disregard lag data if it's really old
  >
  > I think here I'd rather keep counting that lag. It is at the end the latest 
known lag to the user querying the lag (last refresh, refresh rate and interval 
are implementation details). And to this implementation detail, if the latest 
lag that is known is much farther in the past than I expected it to be, then I 
should for safety sake go with the assumption that the instance is actually 
lagging at least that much rather than assuming than risking ignoring that lag, 
which might in edge cases result in processing the edit instead of rejecting it 
due to lag.
  >
  > Does that sound reasonable? or did I misunderstood too much in there?
  
  
  Yeah, that sounds reasonable.
  
  >> If yes, where should WikimediaPrometheusSparqlEndpointReplicationStatus 
live? Here or in the Wikidata.org extension?
  > 
  > That thing is definitely better to live outside of Wikibase codebase, if 
possible, in an extension/external library that is more Wikidata. is there such 
place? what is "Wikidata.org extension"? and did you want to name it 
`WikidataPrometheusSparqlEndpointReplicationStatus` (Wikidata instead of 
Wikimedia), or why Wikimedia?
  > 
  > I'm also wondering if the whole thing (interface and other implmenetation 
`SparqlEndpointReplicationStatusStateHandler` etc) can as well live outside 
Wikibase Repo? (I'm assuming Wikibase Repo has no code related to WDQS but I 
can certainly be off here, haven't checked yet).
  
  We could create a small hook in Wikibase that lets us inject arbitrary things 
into max lag… and then in Wikidata.org 
 do all the 
interaction with Prometheus and inject the lag.
  
  > 
  > 
  >> Do we (also?) want to have a pure SPARQL implementation?
  > 
  > In case we do Prometheus based solution, then I wouldn't keep two 
implementations unless I want to use one as a fallback for the other one. Are 
you thinking of using SPARQL implementation as a fallback in case Prometheus is 
not reachable?
  
  I mostly thought that might be useful for third party instance that only run 
one-instance query services... but it might be better to stick with YAGNI and 
just implement this in Wikidata.org for Wikidata.

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[alaa_wmde]

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  @maho re feedback on 
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase/+/512393
  
  > Do we even want to do this via Prometheus 
(WikimediaPrometheusSparqlEndpointReplicationStatus)
  
  Sounds like the right thing to do so to me too, as per 
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T221774#5165165. Warning though, I have very 
limited knowledge so far on what Prometheus is setup to monitor in our stack. 
Links are welcome :)
  
  If I understand correctly, it's main and probably only downside is when 
Prometheus has outdated data on the lag for some reason (if WDQS instance is 
down/depooled? or the refresh job fails often?) .. which is the same scenario 
that raises your last questions, I believe:
  
  > Shall we disregard lag data if it's really old
  
  I think here I'd rather keep counting that lag. It is at the end the latest 
known lag to the user querying the lag (last refresh, refresh rate and interval 
are implementation details). And to this implementation detail, if the latest 
lag that is known is much farther in the past than I expected it to be, then I 
should for safety sake go with the assumption that the instance is actually 
lagging at least that much rather than assuming than risking ignoring that lag, 
which might in edge cases result in processing the edit instead of rejecting it 
due to lag.
  
  Does that sound reasonable? or did I misunderstood too much in there?
  
  > If yes, where should WikimediaPrometheusSparqlEndpointReplicationStatus 
live? Here or in the Wikidata.org extension?
  
  That thing is definitely better to live outside of Wikibase codebase, if 
possible, in an extension/external library that is more Wikidata. is there such 
place? what is "Wikidata.org extension"? and did you want to name it 
`WikidataPrometheusSparqlEndpointReplicationStatus` (Wikidata instead of 
Wikimedia), or why Wikimedia?
  
  I'm also wondering if the whole thing (interface and other implmenetation 
`SparqlEndpointReplicationStatusStateHandler` etc) can as well live outside 
Wikibase Repo? (I'm assuming Wikibase Repo has no code related to WDQS but I 
can certainly be off here, haven't checked yet).
  
  > Do we (also?) want to have a pure SPARQL implementation?
  
  In case we do Prometheus based solution, then I wouldn't keep two 
implementations unless I want to use one as a fallback for the other one. Are 
you thinking of using SPARQL implementation as a fallback in case Prometheus is 
not reachable?

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[Multichill]

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  Bump, we had another preventable incident, see 
https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Administrators%27_noticeboard=963260218#Edoderoobot_edit_rate
 . 
  @hoo any update?

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  Change 512393 had a related patch set uploaded (by Hoo man; owner: Hoo man):
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase@master] Add Wikidata query service lag to 
Wikidata maxlag
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/512393

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[Smalyshev]

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  Note that wdqs-test should not be included in maxlag at any case. These are 
test servers, which can be lagged significantly due to any number of reasons. 
Also, I'm not sure how easy it is to see if the server is in the pool, but it'd 
be nice if it was possible to exclude depooled servers, because this usually 
means the server is under maintenance.

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  @fgiunchedi @Smalyshev How about I do something like this:
  
$result = 
json_decode(file_get_contents('http://prometheus.svc.eqiad.wmnet/ops/api/v1/query?query=blazegraph_lastupdated'),
 true)['data']['result'];
foreach ( $result as $resultByInstance ) {
echo $resultByInstance['metric']['instance'] . ' (' 
.$resultByInstance['metric']['cluster'] . ') has been updated at ' . 
$resultByInstance['value'][1] . PHP_EOL;
}
  
wdqs1004:9193 (wdqs) has been updated at 1557755605
wdqs1005:9193 (wdqs) has been updated at 1557755946
wdqs1006:9193 (wdqs) has been updated at 1557758395
wdqs1003:9193 (wdqs-internal) has been updated at 1557758386
wdqs1007:9193 (wdqs-internal) has been updated at 1557758374
wdqs1008:9193 (wdqs-internal) has been updated at 1557758353
wdqs1009:9193 (wdqs-test) has been updated at 1557758403
wdqs1010:9193 (wdqs-test) has been updated at 1557758409
  
  No if we do this once per DC and filter with a list of clusters we care about 
via config ("wdqs" and "wdqs-internal" probably), would that work out?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T221774: Add Wikidata query service lag to Wikidata maxlag

[fgiunchedi]

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  In T221774#5155621 , @hoo 
wrote:
  
  > Possible way to do this:
  >
  > Create `PrometheusBlazegraphLagService` class which internally fetches the 
lag from a given Blazegraph instance like `curl 
"http://prometheus.svc.eqiad.wmnet/ops/api/v1/query?query=scalar(time()%20-%20blazegraph_lastupdated%7Binstance%3D%22wdqs1005.eqiad.wmnet%3A9193%22%7D)"`
 (where `wdqs1005.eqiad.wmnet` is to be replaced by the hostname). That would 
be cached (given we don't want to hit Prometheus often and as we care for lag 
in the 30-60m range, fetching this once ever 1-5m should be fine… this could 
maybe even be done in a Job). We would do that for all known `wdqs` instances 
and then sum/average/… the results.
  >
  > This value would then be used for adjusting maxlag, as described above.
  >
  > Things to consider:
  >
  > - Is going to Prometheus directly the right thing to do?
  > - How often can we sanely hit Prometheus?
  > - Where do we want to manage the list of WDQS instance for this? (Or I 
guess can we also ask Prometheus for all metrics at once?)
  
  
  re: frequency even once a minute would be fine, since the query isn't heavy 
to run, and yes you can ask about all instances at once, or e.g. take the 
`max()`.
  
  Which leads me to a question re: servers in maintenance, where / how is the 
list maintained or will be maintained of all instances and/or instances in 
maintenance? I'm asking because if the list of instances that should be queried 
is known anyways IMHO it'd be simpler to query the lag via sparql and keep the 
prometheus out of the loop entirely. I'm saying this because IIRC the 
"lastupdated" value would go blazegraph -> prometheus -> mediawiki

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[Smalyshev]

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  >   do we need a whitelist/blacklist (or both) or some other mechanism to 
make sure we don't eg. take servers into account that are being maintained.
  
  Ideally, only servers in the public pool, or maybe public+internal pool, 
should be taken into account, this would exclude maintained servers (as they 
are depooled for maintenance) and test servers (as they wouldn't be in the 
pool). But I am not sure whether it's possible or how hard it is to do 
something like that. Somebody from #operations 
 probably should know more 
about these.

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  Probably prometheus needs to define a discovery url: 
"http://prometheus.discovery.wmnet; (similar to http://ores.discovery.wmnet) 
@fgiunchedi knows better though.

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[hoo]

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  @Smalyshev Do you think it would be enough to look at 
`http://prometheus.svc.eqiad.wmnet/ops/api/v1/query?query=blazegraph_lastupdated`
 and 
`http://prometheus.svc.codfw.wmnet/ops/api/v1/query?query=blazegraph_lastupdated`
 (no matter which DC MW is running in) and just take all servers into account? 
Or do we need a whitelist/blacklist (or both) or some other mechanism to make 
sure we don't eg. take servers into account that are being maintained.
  
  If we use median to aggregate the lags (or maybe even a high percentile?) we 
might have robust enough results even if a few servers are in maintenance?

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[Smalyshev]

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  > Go through Prometheus or ask the instances individually or …?
  
  prometheus & icinga know what is the lag for each server, so I think it's 
better to ask them? I am not sure if we have good support for scheduled 
recurrent jobs on Wiki - if we do, we could just make a script that asks 
prometheus and puts the data into the Wikidata DB somewhere.
  
  > if the wdqs didn't respond or timed out and errored out for whatever 
reason, gracefully ignore.
  
  Yes, this should happen anyway - if WDQS does not respond, there should be 
graceful failure route.

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[Ladsgroup]

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  A very minor note: WDQS depends heavily on mediawiki nodes to function, 
making mediawiki apps to depend on WDQS (which we already has done in 
WikibaseQualityConstraints) will make a cyclic dependency that bit Wikipedia a 
lot with ores extension and ores service. Overall, it's not an issue but every 
dependency should be as loose as possible, if the wdqs didn't respond or timed 
out and errored out for whatever reason, gracefully ignore.

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[Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE]

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  > `maxlag` affects all API requests, even ones that shouldn’t have any effect 
on query service lag, such as `action=wbgetentity` or 
`action=query=userinfo`. Should we try to limit the impact of this change, 
e. g. by only using query service lag on POST requests? (On the other hand, the 
same question should apply to dispatch lag and we don’t seem to limit the 
impact of that as far as I can tell.)
  
  (I realized yesterday why this isn’t as big a deal as I thought – API users 
could decide to only specify `maxlag` on POST requests themselves. Though I 
suppose we shouldn’t encourage that, because in the case of replication lag you 
really want all requests to be throttled.)

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[Sjoerddebruin]

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  > What should the conversion factor be? (For dispatch lag, it’s 60 – five 
seconds of replication lag are equivalent to five minutes of dispatch lag.)
  
  Based on the last three months 
,
 5 minutes seems fine but we could go for 10 if needed.
  
  > Lag between different servers can differ significantly. Do we use the mean 
lag? The median? The maximum? Something else? (For dispatch lag, we seem to use 
the median.)
  
  As seen in the previously linked graph, there are some differences yes. I 
would at least ignore the ones under 1 minute, the median of the ones above 
that should give a good indication.

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