[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T226453: Concept URI in sidebar uses HTTP instead of HTTPS

[Multichill]

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  As pointed out, the concept URI is http, not https. See also 
https://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Security-NotTheS.html . It's too widespread now 
to change it. For Commons we could do https from the start

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  In T226453#5297810 , 
@Addshore wrote:
  
  > https://schema.org/docs/faq.html#19 is talking about using https for 
schema.,org based uris, not for all uris.
  
  
  Well I would assume so, that is the only domain they have the authority to 
talk about.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T226453: Concept URI in sidebar uses HTTP instead of HTTPS

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  `wdata:` is not the concept uri though. `wd:` is the thing, `wdata:` is 
Wikidata page talking about the thing. We consciously separated them in the 
data.

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  In T226453#5296385 , 
@dbarratt wrote:
  
  > I didn't dig too deeply into the docs, but schema.org for sure explicitly 
mentions that either is supported. Perhaps that's a good strategy for us? 
default to http, but allow https?
  
  
  https://schema.org/docs/faq.html#19 is talking about using https for 
schema.,org based uris, not for all uris.
  
  I just looked at the .ttl output for an entity and it actually currently 
outputs:
  
@prefix wdata:  .
  
  heh

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[Seb35]

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  In T226453#5280633 , 
@Addshore wrote:
  
  > So, the concept URI is http.
  >  Perhaps we should:
  >
  > - Make the link very obviously marked as not secure?
  > - Remove the link, possibly providing the concept URI in plain text on the 
page info page?
  
  
  I find the second option is a good option, on the page info page and/or 
somewhere on the entity page itself.
  
  The link in the toolbox is a bit disappointing because it goes to the very 
same page after 3 redirects (whose one using http):
  
  - http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q1
  - https://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q1
  - https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:EntityData/Q1
  - https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1
  
  And as said above it is not really a locator but an identifier, so there is 
no need to use it as a link, even if it works. I guess the main uses of this 
identifier is for federated SPARQL queries from other SPARQL endpoints or more 
generally for exported data.

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[dbarratt]

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  or perhaps the simplest solution is to display it plaintext, though, we 
probably ought to also support https in WDQS, etc.

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[dbarratt]

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  In T226453#5294638 , 
@Addshore wrote:
  
  > I wonder if the norm is switching toward https now? Perhaps we should 
follow?
  
  
  It kinda appears (from what I can tell) that either is supported. When using 
the URI as a URL, on every single one of the examples on T153563#2884409 
, you get redirected to 
https. However, the pages then list the URL as `http`.
  
  I didn't dig too deeply into the docs, but schema.org for sure explicitly 
mentions that either is supported. Perhaps that's a good strategy for us? 
default to http, but allow https?

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[Addshore]

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  In T226453#5289510 , 
@Esc3300 wrote:
  
  > Wikidata seems to lag in terms of implementation of https compared to other 
parts of WMF. Can we do something about it?
  
  
  Wikidata does implement https everywhere.
  The concept URI however is a slightly trickier issue being a linked data 
identifier.
  But switching to https is possible but would require planing, communication 
etc.
  
  In T153563#2884409  
@Smalyshev said:
  
  > Thus, I do not think we should change our identifier scheme to diverge from 
what is used in every other linked data application.
  
  I wonder if the norm is switching toward https now? Perhaps we should follow?

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  Wikidata seems to lag in terms of implementation of https compared to other 
parts of WMF. Can we do something about it?

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  Maybe somewhere near "This page was last edited on 17 June 2019, at 18:54." 
text.

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[dbarratt]

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  I think since the URL is a redirect anyways (and is rather confusing if you 
don't know that), then my preference would be to show it as plaintext (maybe at 
the bottom of the page in the "footer")?

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[dbarratt]

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  In T226453#5280660 , 
@Addshore wrote:
  
  > See T153563#2884409  and 
the comment added in 
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/operations/mediawiki-config/+/473292/8/wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php
  
  
  That's interesting because schema.org supports either and is (eventually) 
migrating to https:
  https://schema.org/docs/faq.html#19

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  In T226453#5280633 , 
@Addshore wrote:
  
  > So, the concept URI is http.
  
  
  Do we not support https concept URIs?

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