[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T243701: Wikidata maxlag repeatedly over 5s since Jan20, 2020 (primarily caused by the query service)

2020-05-20 Thread Addshore
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  Indeed, currently I would only see wdqs inclusion in maxlag as a bandaid 
waiting for a proper solution.
  We have been having some discussions on T252091 
 about this.
  
  Ultimately we don't want the user to make the decision about if they should 
be allowed to edit or not, in the case of bots and tools that should be a 
server side decision.
  We also don't want to block a user's indefinitely, instead just slowing 
processing down in general

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2020-04-18 Thread matej_suchanek
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  T242453  is related.

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2020-04-18 Thread Dvorapa
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2020-04-17 Thread JJMC89
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T243701: Wikidata maxlag repeatedly over 5s since Jan20, 2020 (primarily caused by the query service)

2020-03-16 Thread Dvorapa
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  Any news? From possible solutions like T238751 
, T240442 
, T245144 
 and @Ladsgroup's T247459 
?
  
  Last 48 hours: 
https://grafana.wikimedia.org/d/00156/wikidata-dispatch?orgId=1=22=now-2d=now

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2020-03-04 Thread Xqt
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  In T243701#5884801 , 
@Ladsgroup wrote:
  
  > I have been thinking about this and I think I have a suggestion. bots and 
tools, should respect maxlag **before** it reaches the threshold. We need to 
return the value of the maxlag in the API as well but tool developers should 
check the maxlag, even if it's 3 or 2 seconds, then wait for that amount and 
make the next edit after that (or just sleep exactly after the edit is made). 
This way they slow down before "they reach the threshold and then have to back 
off the let go back to normal and then they start the flood of edits again and 
so on and so forth."
  > What do you think?
  
  You don't get the maxlag value except you trigger that border. What about the 
http response reader variable restry_after? See T210606 
 and T172293 


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2020-02-06 Thread JeanFred
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  > In T243701#5834751 , 
@jcrespo wrote:
  >
  >> While I understand the need of "slowing bot edits" in case of lag, I can 
see a problem making MW api and WDQS equivalent in SLA at the moment.
  
  
  
  In T243701#5834792 , 
@Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE wrote:
  
  > I wonder if it would make sense to ignore query service lag on GET 
requests? Those requests shouldn’t put any kind of load on the query service, 
after all.
  
  That resonates with me. As a bot operator I totally understand and expect 
that my edits might be throttled. However, it is super painful for read-only 
workflows, like the one I describe in T244030 
: all I want is read one wikipage, 
which can result in a 30min wait time − as it’s 'interactive', it makes for a 
very poor user experience.

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2020-02-06 Thread JeanFred
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2020-02-05 Thread Dvorapa
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2020-02-05 Thread Dvorapa
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2020-02-05 Thread JeanFred
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2020-01-27 Thread Addshore
Addshore added a comment.


  In T243701#5834698 , 
@jcrespo wrote:
  
  >> Seconds or even a minute or two lag seems acceptable at this point
  >
  > and
  >
  >> As anyone is free to use this endpoint, the traffic sees a lot a 
variability and thus the performance of the endpoint can vary quite a lot.
  
  Indeed, the maxlag referred to in this ticket does not reflect the actual lag 
value of the query service.
  I believe 5s maxlag for the query service = 5 mins ish or real lag.
  
  In T243701#5834726 , 
@Dvorapa wrote:
  
  > Per T221774  WDQS lag is part of 
WD API maxlag. Thus If WDQS lag is high, API maxlag is also high, which makes 
Pywikibot tests (calling WD API all the time) timeout as API maxlag has been 
repeatedly declared to always be <5s by several people in the past. I'm not 
sure, how to solve the issue as I don't know, where should I look for current 
API maxlag promises. Where have you found WDQS lag promises?
  
  Should tests be using the production api and site?
  What are these tests doing?
  
  Also relevant is T240442: Design a continuous throttling policy for Wikidata 
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2020-01-27 Thread Dvorapa
Dvorapa added a comment.


  In T243701#5834698 , 
@jcrespo wrote:
  
  > You mention:
  >
  >> Pywikibot test environments and CIs
  >
  > But I don't see how pywikibot depending on an external service (WDQS) for 
CI would be a good idea, could you elaborate on what you are trying to achieve, 
so maybe there is a better understanding on what the requirements are? Thank 
you!
  
  Per T221774  WDQS lag is part of 
WD API maxlag. Thus If WDQS lag is high, API maxlag is also high, which makes 
Pywikibot tests (calling WD API all the time) timeout as API maxlag has been 
repeatedly declared to always be <5s by several people in the past. I'm not 
sure, how to solve the issue as I don't know, where should I look for current 
API maxlag promises. Where have you found WDQS lag promises?

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