[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T114772: [Task] Implement SiteIdMapper PHP service

2020-10-14 Thread WMDE-leszek 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T114772: [Task] Implement SiteIdMapper PHP service

2020-10-14 Thread Ladsgroup 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T114772: [Task] Implement SiteIdMapper PHP service

2020-10-14 Thread Ladsgroup 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T114772: [Task] Implement SiteIdMapper PHP service

2020-10-02 Thread Ladsgroup 
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  In T114772#6509151 , 
@WMDE-leszek wrote:
  
  > @Addshore @Ladsgroup:
  > Having look at this task with developers we were not clear about certain 
details which are probably obvious  but we didn't find answers just looking at 
this task. Incomplete list below:
  >
  > - While the task provides quite detailed outline of the contract of the 
requested service, we didn't find any details on where/how the service should 
be used. I suspect it might be in one of 200+ linked tasks, but I didn't get to 
digest them.
  
  More than everything, it's about wikis that have a different dbname and dns 
record. For example, be_x_oldwiki is actually be-tarask.wikipedia.org and 
editors of this wiki have to enter be_x_oldwiki in wikidata to be able to enter 
their articles (while in paper, they might not even know what be_x_old is). 
This is also blocks renaming further wikis (e.g. zh-classical.wikipedia.org to 
lzh.wikipedia.org). It gets even worse as the language code for zh-classical is 
lzh (in termbox for example) but the sitelinks has to stay zh_classical if we 
rename the wiki and don't fix this issue in wikidata.
  
  Here's an example of a bug this task would tackle T112426: [Bug] Querying 
Wikipedia for langlinks doesn't work for be-tarask, but works for be-x-old 

  
  > - It is unclear whether the said service should be implemented in Wikibase 
(with further possibility of upstreaming to MediaWiki later on), or should it 
be implemented straight away in MediaWiki?
  
  I personally think it should be in Wikibase, our narrow usecase for this is 
that we would have a php service in data access that takes a language code and 
a sitelink group and returns a dbname for it e.g. for ("fa", "wikipedia") 
returning "fawiki", "be-tarask", "wikipedia" returning "be_x_oldwiki" and "de", 
"wikiquote" returning "dewikiquote" (I assume exceptions like be-x-old to 
be-tarask would be configurable hard coded values).
  
  This would simplify and centralize the logic that have spread out too.
  
  > - I personally didn't catch how this task connects to Wikibase/Wikidata. 
Those "Sites" seem to me like a generic MediaWiki concept, and the service as a 
generic MediaWiki thing. Is this correct? A comment above (T114772#6214993 
) mentions this blocking 
wiki renames, which, in my ignorance, sounds to me like something WMF does, not 
Wikidata/WMDE.
  
  It's blocking renaming wikis due to renamed wikis not being accessible under 
new name in Wikidata. Fixing that I assume is our job.
  
  > - Rephrasing the above: Why WMDE should implement this and not the relevant 
WMF team? What is the WMDE's use case for this service?
  
  As I explained above, this is an issue with wikibase codebase that assumes 
there is strict mapping between language code and db name (e.g. fa,wikipedia -> 
fawiki) while such thing doesn't exist in reality 100% of the time (be-tarask, 
wikipedia -> be_x_oldwiki)
  
  > I am not sure if i didn't any other essential question. Possibly 
@Pablo-WMDE @Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE @Michael who were active in the 
conversation on this remember something extra.
  
  HTH

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T114772: [Task] Implement SiteIdMapper PHP service

2020-10-01 Thread WMDE-leszek 
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  To clarify on the point
  
  > I personally didn't catch how this task connects to Wikibase/Wikidata.
  
  If the reason why this service is considered need in Wikibase is the pieces 
of new functionality describe in the description as
  
  > For API input (for wbaddsitelink, etc) several aliases should be supported 
per wiki.
  > For manual input in the UI, at least the above aliases should be supported
  > For output, two "labels" should be available:
  
  then those look like new features to be added. As such, this task is tackling 
the problem backwards, i.e. it prescribes the solution instead of specifying 
the intended new/changed behaviour of the API/other product.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T114772: [Task] Implement SiteIdMapper PHP service

2020-10-01 Thread WMDE-leszek 
WMDE-leszek added subscribers: Michael, Pablo-WMDE, Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE, 
Addshore.
WMDE-leszek added a comment.


  @Addshore @Ladsgroup:
  Having look at this task with developers we were not clear about certain 
details which are probably obvious  but we didn't find answers just looking at 
this task. Incomplete list below:
  
  - While the task provides quite detailed outline of the contract of the 
requested service, we didn't find any details on where/how the service should 
be used. I suspect it might be in one of 200+ linked tasks, but I didn't get to 
digest them.
  - It is unclear whether the said service should be implemented in Wikibase 
(with further possibility of upstreaming to MediaWiki later on), or should it 
be implemented straight away in MediaWiki?
  - I personally didn't catch how this task connects to Wikibase/Wikidata. 
Those "Sites" seem to me like a generic MediaWiki concept, and the service as a 
generic MediaWiki thing. Is this correct? A comment above (T114772#6214993 
) mentions this blocking 
wiki renames, which, in my ignorance, sounds to me like something WMF does, not 
Wikidata/WMDE.
  - Rephrasing the above: Why WMDE should implement this and not the relevant 
WMF team? What is the WMDE's use case for this service?
  
  I am not sure if i didn't any other essential question. Possibly @Pablo-WMDE 
@Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE @Michael who were active in the conversation on this 
remember something extra.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T114772: [Task] Implement SiteIdMapper PHP service

2020-09-15 Thread Addshore 
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2020-09-15 Thread Addshore 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T114772: [Task] Implement SiteIdMapper PHP service

2020-08-03 Thread Addshore 
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