[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T215032: Add monolingual language code cmg

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T215032: Add monolingual language code cmg

gerritbot added a comment. Change 837205 **merged** by jenkins-bot: [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase@master] Add severel requested monolingual language codes https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/837205 TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T215032 EMAIL PREFERENCES

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T215032: Add monolingual language code cmg

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T215032: Add monolingual language code cmg

gerritbot added a comment. Change 837205 had a related patch set uploaded (by Jon Harald Søby; author: Jon Harald Søby): [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase@master] Add severel requested monolingual language codes https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/837205 TASK DETAIL

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T215032: Add monolingual language code cmg

jhsoby added a comment. Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and OK this one. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T215032 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: jhsoby Cc: Esc3300, Lydia_Pintscher, jhsoby, Amire80, Mbch331, Nikki, C933103,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T215032: Add monolingual language code cmg

Popolon added a comment. I don't understand what is blocking either. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T215032 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Popolon Cc: Esc3300, Lydia_Pintscher, jhsoby, Amire80, Mbch331, Nikki,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T215032: Add monolingual language code cmg

C933103 added a comment. So with the example from July 7 last year, why isn't this request proceeding? TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T215032 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: C933103 Cc: Esc3300, Lydia_Pintscher,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T215032: Add monolingual language code cmg

Mbch331 added a comment. In T215032#7200368 , @Amire80 wrote: > @Mbch331, I see `mvf` in the code of WikibaseLexeme, but I cannot actually add lexemes in it. And I don't see it in the code of Wikibase at all. Can you add it please?

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T215032: Add monolingual language code cmg

Amire80 added a comment. @Mbch331, I see `mvf` in the code of WikibaseLexeme, but I cannot actually add lexemes in it. And I don't see it in the code of Wikibase at all. Can you add it please? TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T215032 EMAIL PREFERENCES

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T215032: Add monolingual language code cmg

Popolon added a comment. Do you know at least how to use mvf now, because I still can't use it a standard way and still need to put an unsupported language tag? TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T215032 EMAIL PREFERENCES

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Amire80 added a comment. Give me one example where the cmg value would be different from mvf, and I'll approve it :) TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T215032 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Amire80 Cc: Esc3300,

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Popolon added a comment. cmg is often similar to mvf, but not sure it is always the case, as mvf is still a living language, cmg a medieval one. I don't know what is missing, in wich system parti, but it can't be added in values for now. TASK DETAIL

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Amire80 added a comment. I'm not sure if I understand where is it stuck. I appears to go in circles. As far as I can see, mvf was added for lexemes. It can be added for values, too. If there are cases where cmg and mvf would be different, cmg can be added, too. Am I missing something

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T215032: Add monolingual language code cmg

Popolon added a comment. I corrected also the name in cyrillic mongolism, this is not the Mongolian meta language (only mn meta-language is supported for now) , but only the Khalkha variant. The 3 languages are unsupported. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T215032 EMAIL

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Popolon added a comment. And at the same time, both cmg and mvf are missing, i fight for 5 years for having at least one them now. but it looks more and more like there is interest to avoid theme? Still don't understand why? TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T215032 EMAIL

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Popolon added a comment. OK, I removed mvf, that could be used to day as khalkha, but the text is in medieval mongolian, and replaced multi by miss TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T215032 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/

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Popolon added a comment. Mult is multilanguage: the other one is mongolian of china that is compatible for this term, but this is a modern mongolian, and this is a name from 12th century... TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T215032 EMAIL PREFERENCES

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Esc3300 added a comment. Did you read https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Monolingual_text_languages#When_a_language_code_is_missing ? TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T215032 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Esc3300

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C933103 added a comment. In T215032#7193390 , @Esc3300 wrote: > If you use "mul", you wouldn't actually need "cmg". Are you trying to play catch 22? The data cannot be input into wikidata under the correct code unless it's approved

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Esc3300 added a comment. If you use "mul", you wouldn't actually need "cmg". TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T215032 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Esc3300 Cc: Esc3300, Lydia_Pintscher, jhsoby, Amire80, Mbch331,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T215032: Add monolingual language code cmg

Popolon added a comment. If I follow the ref, I added mul + 2*P407 with cmg (Midle mongolian) and mvf (Mongolian of China). TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T215032 EMAIL PREFERENCES

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Esc3300 added a comment. Maybe I should have linked Help:Monolingual_text_languages#When_a_language_code_is_missing that explains step by step how this was for the one I mentioned. TASK DETAIL

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Popolon added a comment. If it's for a field in wikidata, here is: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q720 Chingis Khaan, with his native name in Mongolian from his time (ᠴᠢᠩᠭᠢᠰ ᠬᠠᠭᠠᠨ Činggis qaγan) and in today khalkha from independent Mongolia (Чингис хаан), in Cyrillic. TASK DETAIL

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Esc3300 added a comment. T262922 links a sample in its task description. If you can do one or several similar ones, that would be sufficient. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T215032 EMAIL PREFERENCES

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Popolon added a comment. So I give the most basic example, I can add several case mn is wrongly used (but was the only not to far available option) to have the original name wrote in wikidata, for people of 13~15th century. The oldest know in this script is there:

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T215032: Add monolingual language code cmg

Esc3300 added a comment. @Nikki We are moving ahead .. it's WMF .. so we are going two steps forward, then one step back. We are trying to separate the incubator stuff from other, but there seems to be some odd dependency, not really explicitly addressed before: T273705

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Amire80 added a comment. General comment: Sorry about some delays these days. I have some unexpected stuff In Real Life (silly things, don't worry about me), and it coincides with a large wave of Language codes issues. I'll respond to everything some time very soon. TASK DETAIL

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Nikki added a comment. In T215032#7168623 , @Mbch331 wrote: > As mentioned on the page linked by @Esc3300 It has to be required for an actual use-case on Wikidata (other than label in officiële taal (P1705

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Mbch331 added a comment. In T215032#7167462 , @Popolon wrote: > Which kind of sample do you want. > > As an exemplle, from : > https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_bitchig > > {{lang|cmg-Mon|ᠮᠣᠩᠭᠣᠯ ᠪᠢᠴᠢᠭ}} this is the name of

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Popolon added a comment. Which kind of sample do you want. As an exemplle, from : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_bitchig {{lang|cmg-Mon|ᠮᠣᠩᠭᠣᠯ ᠪᠢᠴᠢᠭ}} this is the name of the Mongolian script in classical and modern Mongolian. TASK DETAIL

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Esc3300 changed the task status from "Open" to "Stalled". Esc3300 triaged this task as "Low" priority. Esc3300 added a comment. Changed status given the lack of samples and set priority accordingly. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T215032 EMAIL PREFERENCES

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Esc3300 added a comment. @Popolon This request doesn't include any samples, can you add them in the task description? See https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Monolingual_text_languages#Requirements_for_a_new_language_code TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T215032 EMAIL

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Popolon added a comment. I first created this because Mongolian in mongolian script was rejected in all it's codes, but it could be usefut to referring to this code for name of medieval Mongolian people, as the notion of mvf didn't exists at this time, this could avoid anachronisms. TASK

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Amire80 added a comment. So, we already have these: - Fully supported everywhere: Wikipedia, MediaWiki, Wikidata, language-data, and translatewiki: - mn - Mongolian, Cyrillic script. (Maybe not perfectly standard, because it should be khk and mn is a macro language, but that's the

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Popolon added a comment. I believe there is not so much difference. If I remember of everything after few years of try, some argued that any of them can't be used in Wikimedia because they are meta-languages, not languages,, because mvf, based on Chakhar/Chahar, and there are other

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Nikki added a comment. T137810 had an extremely negative effect on me and I have no desire to get dragged back into that argument, sorry. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T215032 EMAIL PREFERENCES

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Mbch331 added a comment. @Popolon @Nikki @C933103 @Liuxinyu970226 Can one of you answer the question by Amire80? TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T215032 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Mbch331 Cc: Lydia_Pintscher,

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Amire80 added a comment. Uhh, T137810 is long. Can anyone summarize why is cmg better than mvf? We already have mvf in Incubator and translatewiki. Or is this specifically supposed to be for the old variety of the language? TASK

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Mbch331 added a comment. Ping @Amire80 @jhsoby Can you answer Lydia's question? TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T215032 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Mbch331 Cc: Lydia_Pintscher, jhsoby, Amire80, Mbch331, Nikki,

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