[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T288230: Promote MediaInfo RDF format to stable

[Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE]

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  https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikibase/Indexing/RDF_Dump_Format#MediaInfo 
still claimed the MediaInfo format was unstable, I’ve removed that note now. 
You might want to add a pointer to the Commons stable interface policy though.

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[Gehel]

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  Resolved as T290671  has been 
closed.

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[Sannita]

Sannita closed subtask T290671: [M] Create a stable interface policy for 
Commons MediaInfo RDF as Resolved.

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[dcausse]

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  @CBogen I would not block WCQS work because of this, esp. because we agree on 
the substance that this format must be stable. I would perhaps clarify quickly 
(before going live) what the user documentation for the RDF format will look 
like, esp. because MediaInfo was added to 
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikibase/Indexing/RDF_Dump_Format but I feel it 
should now be removed from this page and only maintained under its own page in 
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikibaseMediaInfo/RDF_mapping to avoid 
future confusions with the two policies.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T288230: Promote MediaInfo RDF format to stable

[CBogen]

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  Based on discussion with @Cparle and @MarkTraceur, we will create a new 
stable interface policy for Commons MediaInfo RDF specifically. I created a new 
subtask for that (T290671 ). 
@dcausse when do you need this done by so that it's not a blocker to ongoing 
WCQS work?

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[CBogen]

CBogen added a subtask: T290671: Create a stable interface policy for Commons 
MediaInfo RDF.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T288230: Promote MediaInfo RDF format to stable

[dcausse]

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  In T288230#7333958 , 
@Cparle wrote:
  
  > 1. there is no team to oversee its stability (we're the structured data 
team, not the commons team)
  
  I think that the team owning WikibaseMediaInfo should be the team responsible 
for the stability of the format.
  
  > 2. the stable interface policy is only for wikidata, and if it's to be used 
as a guarantee it either needs to be updated to include commons, or we need a 
new doc for commons
  
  As I understand it the stable interface policy applies for wikibase 
components (even-though the page is hosted on wikidata). Relatedly commons is 
offering wikibase APIs (wb* actions) and is de facto benefiting from this 
policy. I think it makes sense to see this from a software point of view rather 
than a site-specific approach and thus for a wikibase extension like 
WikibaseMediaInfo to apply to the same policies than wikibase itself.
  I have no strong objections making this separate but I believe there needs to 
be a guarantee that the format remains stable and that any future changes will 
have to be discussed.

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[Cparle]

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  @Zbyszko I think the MediaInfo RDF format could be considered stable now, but 
we cannot guarantee anything because
  
  1. there is no team to oversee its stability (we're the structured data team, 
not the commons team)
  2. the stable interface policy is only for wikidata, and if it's to be used 
as a guarantee it either needs to be updated to include commons, or we need a 
new doc for commons
  
  If we feel like our users need a guarantee then we need to have a chat about 
what procedures we need in place.

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[Lydia_Pintscher]

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  @Cparle See my previous comment :)

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[Cparle]

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  In T288230#7304754 , 
@Zbyszko wrote:
  
  > @Cparle - this is probably of interest to SD team as well.
  
  I have no objections, but I do have some questions:
  
  - The stable interface doc makes specific reference to wikidata - for example 
"The change will be available for testing at least two weeks before deployment 
on https://test.wikidata.org/;. Does the stable interface doc itself need to be 
updated? Do we need a https://test-commons.wikimedia.org/ going forward? Do we 
need to add commons mailing lists to this?
  - Who is responsible for administering the stability of the interface? How is 
it done in wikidata? Say for example in 5 years someone wants to make a change 
to the MediaInfo RDF - how are they going to know that it's covered by this and 
announcements need to be made?

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[dcausse]

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  The should be updated with the new predicate introduced in T277665 
 first.

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[Lydia_Pintscher]

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  No issue from my side :)
  In the past the SDoC team decided not to yet have their work covered by the 
stable interface policy Wikidata follows. I guess that is a question that 
shoudl be given some thought again if we want to call the RDF for MediaInfo 
stable now.

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[Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE]

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  I think so, yes. Maybe an announcement email, though I’m not sure which 
mailing lists would be interested (we send Wikidata changes to wikidata-l, 
wikidata-tech-l, pywikibot-l, and Wikidata:Project chat).

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  @Lydia_Pintscher, @LucasWerkmeister, just to confirm(or the opposite) what we 
discussed in email thread - only thing required here is the doc update?
  @Cparle - this is probably of interest to SD team as well.

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TASK DESCRIPTION
  As a WCQS users I want to have a stable reference for MediaInfo RDF format so 
that I can reference it when using the service and be sure that I will be 
properly informed if it changes.
  
  Task requires moving MediaInfo fromat from beta to stable - 
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikibase/Indexing/RDF_Dump_Format#MediaInfo_(beta).
  
  AC:
  
  - MediaInfo is stable and subjected to Stable Interface Policy

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