[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T344984: Wikibase: Fire postEdit hook after making an edit

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T344984: Wikibase: Fire postEdit hook after making an edit

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T344984: Wikibase: Fire postEdit hook after making an edit

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  In T344984#9537517 , 
@Michael wrote:
  
  > That is a valid point. I do not have enough insight to guess which editing 
patterns tend to trigger check-user requests, given that they might be 
different from your random vandalism. Not sure if there is already research on 
that, but I'm adding #wikidata_data_quality_and_trust 
 as 
this relates to fighting (somewhat more) sophisticated abuse. Also, to me this 
now enters Product territory, and so @Lydia_Pintscher might have thoughts on 
the next steps.
  
  I don't think there is any research on this. I'm adding @Jasper, one of the 
people with check-user rights on Wikidata for some input.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T344984: Wikibase: Fire postEdit hook after making an edit

[Michael]

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  In T344984#9537230 , 
@kostajh wrote:
  
  > Thanks for this list! I suppose this is a question for checkuser users on 
Wikidata--which of these is most important for collecting signals when doing 
sock puppet investigations? Then focus on an implementation for just that 
editing entrypoint, rather than trying to deal with all of them.
  
  That is a valid point. I do not have enough insight to guess which editing 
patterns tend to trigger check-user requests, given that they might be 
different from your random vandalism. Not sure if there is already research on 
that, but I'm adding #wikidata_data_quality_and_trust 
 as 
this relates to fighting (somewhat more) sophisticated abuse. Also, to me this 
now enters Product territory, and so @Lydia_Pintscher might have thoughts on 
the next steps.
  
  Also, I wonder how this in practice interacts with the creation of temporary 
accounts (and associated redirects) that are currently being added in context 
of T354730#9516706 ?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T344984: Wikibase: Fire postEdit hook after making an edit

[kostajh]

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  In T344984#9537155 , 
@Michael wrote:
  
  > In T344984#9534559 , 
@kostajh wrote:
  >
  >> Is there a list somewhere of the types of edits made on Wikidata?
  >
  > Not sure if such a list exists anywhere, but it is bound to be long. Just 
the things from the top of my head:
  >
  > - editing Item/Property terms via the legacy desktop Termbox
  > - editing Item/Property terms via the mobile Vue Termbox
  >   - soon™️ that Vue Termbox will also be used to edit EntitySchema terms on 
desktop
  > - editing statements via the Wikibase UI
  > - editing sitelinks on Items via the Wikibase UI
  > - Restoring a previous good revisions via the history
  > - //undoing// specific previous edits on Items/Properties/Lexemes via the 
history (I //think// this is a home-grown Wikibase functionality)
  > - Editing the Lemmas, Forms and Senses via the WikibaseLexeme vue-based UI
  > - //undoing// specific previous edits on EntitySchema via the history 
(Reimplementation of the Wikibase thing)
  > - Editing a EntitySchema text via the `edit` action
  >
  > This does not include edits from Special pages, because based on 
https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User-agent_client_hints Client Hints seem 
to not be enabled there?
  > Also, I probably forgot a bunch of places, and also did not yet consider 
whether we have any popular Gadgets for editing.
  > Further, as mentioned above, there are edits made on Wikidata from other 
WMF wikis via the Link-Item widget for Sitelinks and (in practice for now 
disabled) Wikidata Bridge.
  > Finally, it is worth noting that majority of edits on Wikidata are not made 
by humans via the UI but by bots or somewhat external tools like 
quickstatements (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:QuickStatements).
  
  Thanks for this list! I suppose this is a question for checkuser users on 
Wikidata--which of these is most important for collecting signals when doing 
sock puppet investigations? Then focus on an implementation for just that 
editing entrypoint, rather than trying to deal with all of them.

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[Dreamy_Jazz]

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  In T344984#9537155 , 
@Michael wrote:
  
  > In T344984#9534559 , 
@kostajh wrote:
  >
  >> Is there a list somewhere of the types of edits made on Wikidata?
  >
  > Not sure if such a list exists anywhere, but it is bound to be long. Just 
the things from the top of my head:
  >
  > - editing Item/Property terms via the legacy desktop Termbox
  > - editing Item/Property terms via the mobile Vue Termbox
  >   - soon™️ that Vue Termbox will also be used to edit EntitySchema terms on 
desktop
  > - editing statements via the Wikibase UI
  > - editing sitelinks on Items via the Wikibase UI
  > - Restoring a previous good revisions via the history
  > - //undoing// specific previous edits on Items/Properties/Lexemes via the 
history (I //think// this is a home-grown Wikibase functionality)
  > - Editing the Lemmas, Forms and Senses via the WikibaseLexeme vue-based UI
  > - //undoing// specific previous edits on EntitySchema via the history 
(Reimplementation of the Wikibase thing)
  > - Editing a EntitySchema text via the `edit` action
  >
  > This does not include edits from Special pages, because based on 
https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User-agent_client_hints Client Hints seem 
to not be enabled there?
  
  Currently the only supported method to collect Client Hints data is via the 
REST API which is called by the `postEdit` JS hook. Ideally we would want to 
use the REST API method over using HTTP headers due to the need to set the 
headers in a previous response. Using the REST API method allows us to collect 
the data once the edit has actually been made without having to predict whether 
the user is likely to be making an edit on a page load before the edit was 
performed.
  
  We had not worked on storing data for any action that used a Special page so 
the relevant docs and code were not updated.
  
  > Also, I probably forgot a bunch of places, and also did not yet consider 
whether we have any popular Gadgets for editing.
  > Further, as mentioned above, there are edits made on Wikidata from other 
WMF wikis via the Link-Item widget for Sitelinks and (in practice for now 
disabled) Wikidata Bridge.
  > Finally, it is worth noting that majority of edits on Wikidata are not made 
by humans via the UI but by bots or somewhat external tools like 
quickstatements (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:QuickStatements).

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[Michael]

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  In T344984#9534559 , 
@kostajh wrote:
  
  > Is there a list somewhere of the types of edits made on Wikidata?
  
  Not sure if such a list exists anywhere, but it is bound to be long. Just the 
things from the top of my head:
  
  - editing Item/Property terms via the legacy desktop Termbox
  - editing Item/Property terms via the mobile Vue Termbox
- soon™️ that Vue Termbox will also be used to edit EntitySchema terms on 
desktop
  - editing statements via the Wikibase UI
  - editing sitelinks on Items via the Wikibase UI
  - Restoring a previous good revisions via the history
  - //undoing// specific previous edits on Items/Properties/Lexemes via the 
history (I //think// this is a home-grown Wikibase functionality)
  - Editing the Lemmas, Forms and Senses via the WikibaseLexeme vue-based UI
  - //undoing// specific previous edits on EntitySchema via the history 
(Reimplementation of the Wikibase thing)
  - Editing a EntitySchema text via the `edit` action
  
  This does not include edits from Special pages, because based on 
https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User-agent_client_hints Client Hints seem 
to not be enabled there?
  Also, I probably forgot a bunch of places, and also did not yet consider 
whether we have any popular Gadgets for editing.
  Further, as mentioned above, there are edits made on Wikidata from other WMF 
wikis via the Link-Item widget for Sitelinks and (in practice for now disabled) 
Wikidata Bridge.
  Finally, it is worth noting that majority of edits on Wikidata are not made 
by humans via the UI but by bots or somewhat external tools like 
quickstatements (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:QuickStatements).

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T344984: Wikibase: Fire postEdit hook after making an edit

[kostajh]

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  In T344984#9453620 , 
@Michael wrote:
  
  > I think this is to the largest degree about the Edits as they made on 
Wikidata, right? There is //some// impact on WikibaseClient(=Wikibase code that 
runs on Wikipedias, Wikisource, Wikivoyage, Wiktionary,...) especially around 
WikiData-Bridge and maybe the Link-Item widget, but that's not the primary 
focus, right?
  
  Is there a list somewhere of the types of edits made on Wikidata?
  
  On the Wikipedias, editing a page (source editor or VisualEditor) or using 
DiscussionTools will fire the postEdit hook, which CheckUser extension listens 
to in order to collect and store client hint data.
  
  Ideally, any interface used on Wikidata for creating a revision would also 
fire the postEdit hook, so that CheckUser can collect and store client hint 
data.

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[Ifrahkhanyaree_WMDE]

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  Also just talked about this in our call but for documentation's sake: For the 
moment, it's not on our radar

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[Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE]

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  In T344984#9453620 , 
@Michael wrote:
  
  > I think this is to the largest degree about the Edits as they made on 
Wikidata, right? There is //some// impact on WikibaseClient(=Wikibase code that 
runs on Wikipedias, Wikisource, Wikivoyage, Wiktionary,...) especially around 
WikiData-Bridge and maybe the Link-Item widget, but that's not the primary 
focus, right?
  
  If this primarily affects WikibaseRepo: @Ifrahkhanyaree_WMDE is this a task 
you could consider for the #wikibase_product_platform_team_wpp 
 
backlog?

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[Michael]

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  I think this is to the largest degree about the Edits as they made on 
Wikidata, right? There is //some// impact on WikibaseClient(=Wikibase code that 
runs on Wikipedias, Wikisource, Wikivoyage, Wiktionary,...) especially around 
WikiData-Bridge and maybe the Link-Item widget, but that's not the primary 
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[kostajh]

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  In T344984#9120046 , 
@Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE wrote:
  
  > Which arguments is the hook supposed to be fired with? Is there 
documentation for it anywhere?
  
  AIUI, it is acceptable to fire without any arguments, from 
`resources/src/mediawiki.action/mediawiki.action.view.postEdit.js`:
  
/**
 * Fired after an edit was successfully saved.
 *
 * Does not fire for null edits.
 *
 * Code that fires the postEdit hook should first set `wgRevisionId` and 
`wgCurRevisionId`
 * to the revision associated with the edit that triggered the postEdit 
hook, then fire
 * the postEdit hook, e.g.:
 *
 * mw.config.set( {
 *wgCurRevisionId: data.newrevid,
 *wgRevisionId: data.newrevid
 * } );
 * // Now fire the hook.
 * mw.hook( 'postEdit' ).fire(); 
 */

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[Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE]

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  Which arguments is the hook supposed to be fired with? Is there documentation 
for it anywhere?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T344984: Wikibase: Fire postEdit hook after making an edit

[kostajh]

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TASK DESCRIPTION
  For the #http-client-hints 
 project, #CheckUser 
 listens to the `postEdit` 
hook to obtain the newly created revision ID, and it sends this information 
along with user agent client hints to a CheckUser REST endpoint for storage 
(see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CheckUser/Client_Hints and 
https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User-agent_client_hints for more 
information.)
  
  Wikibase does not fire the `postEdit` hook, and this task proposes that it 
starts doing so, so that we can receive client hint data alongside Wikibase 
edits. (Doing so would also provide more consistency in having JS editing 
interfaces use a common hook for signaling that they've made an edit, although, 
see T330831: Make postEdit hook reliably support user interaction 
 for critiques of `postEdit` and an 
alternative proposal.)

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