[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T67626: [Epic] Support for queries on-wiki (automated list generation)

[Bugreporter]

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  In 
https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:DCausse/WDQS_Graph_Split_Impact_Analysis
 it is mentioned that Listeria is heavily throttled by WDQS (only 1.33% success 
rate). It is therefore not a scalable approach.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T67626: [Epic] Support for queries on-wiki (automated list generation)

[Lydia_Pintscher]

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T67626: [Epic] Support for queries on-wiki (automated list generation)

[Bugreporter]

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  If we want to support this in 3rd party wikis, a solution that is not highly 
coupled with Wikifunctions is recommended. This may be:
  
  - A feature to store specific query on a query namespace and cached results 
in some storage outside of WikiLambda, plus a feature to run arbitrary query 
on-the-fly via Wikilambda, and/or
  - Extracting the async rendering feature of Wikilambda to some other 
extension and the complex query service will be based on such extension

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T67626: [Epic] Support for queries on-wiki (automated list generation)

[Bugreporter]

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  Another feature Listeriabot missing: Listeriabot always assumes that each 
entry is a item. Thus it is not easily usable for lists of properties, lexemes 
or non-entities (such as dates). Hacks exist, but they are merely hacks, not 
proper solution.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T67626: [Epic] Support for queries on-wiki (automated list generation)

[Tacsipacsi]

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  > They are entered in a page in the Query namespace and internally saved as 
JSON.
  
  Why JSON? We have WDQS, which uses SPARQL, so it seems straightforward for me 
to store these on-wiki queries in SPARQL as well. (The cached results should 
probably be JSON, as it’s easier to consume and format for display, but for the 
queries themselves we don’t need to reinvent the wheel by creating a JSON 
schema.)

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T67626: [Epic] Support for queries on-wiki (automated list generation)

[ECohen_WMDE]

ECohen_WMDE closed subtask T188291: Display point features (coordinates) from 
the results of a SPARQL query on a map in Wikipedia as Resolved.

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[Bugreporter]

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  In T67626#7620208 , 
@Bugreporter wrote:
  
  > Listeria is a 3rd party tool, and we need a feature built-in Wikimedia. 
Also Listeria does not store the result in any structured way.
  
  I want to make one point deeper: The current Listeriabot is 100% not a good 
design - it does multiple things at once.
  
  First we can run a SPARQL query and we have a (raw) result set. secondly 
Listeria does some basic transform - both automatic and manual: You can look up 
labels, descriptions, aliases, some statements/qualifiers (this is not relied 
on SPARQL) and then since 2.0 the values are automatically formated (i.e. 
turned to links) which (it seems) there are no parameter to disable. Thirdly 
the results are formated into some table or template calls.
  
  Ideally we should made them three independent part: the query part may be 
cached in ways described above; result the transform part may be cached, 
possibly per language if results in interface language is requested (if no 
terms is requested, or only monolingual terms is required which can already 
queried in SPARQL, this step can be skipped entirely); and the content is 
displayed using the cached result.
  
  (If there are multiple possible transforms of one query, a further 
optimalization may be caching query results by some sorts of hash, or make 
transforms a top-level object, though the latter may be confuing to some users.)

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[Bugreporter]

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  For some queries frequently used, there are various types: one is those that 
should be regularly refreshed (currently ListeriaBot do it but many pages are 
not refreshed as frequent as the page defined); one is those that may be 
refreshed on demand; one is those relatively stable, such as a list of chemical 
elements or US presidents. For the last type, it is useful to introduce a 
semi-permanent result and users who want to refresh it may see the diff between 
result sets. This also keep off  most vandalisms, and may even become a way to 
moniter vandalisms (with some mechanism to regularly check query results). 
These three types are stored queries.
  
  Also, they may be a parser function to invoke an arbitrary query on-the-fly, 
probably via some caching mechanism. This may be part of Wikilambda.

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[Bugreporter]

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  In T67626#7620447 , 
@Aklapper wrote:
  
  >> Listeria is a 3rd party tool, and we need a feature built-in Wikimedia.
  >
  > What makes you think so?
  
  Another issue to consider is by updating Listeriabot make an edit to each 
page, and this clutters page histories for pages with embedded lists. It is 
much worse if the wiki host thousands of Listeria-generated pages, many of them 
are barely viewed but refreshed frequently, like cywiki. Snapshots are 
sometimes useful (T291091: Snapshots for saved queries 
), but in most times, they are not.

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[Aklapper]

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  > Listeria is a 3rd party tool, and we need a feature built-in Wikimedia.
  
  What makes you think so?

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Bugreporter, -jem-, Liuxinyu970226, Lydia_Pintscher, Eloquence, Zellfaze, 
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[Bugreporter]

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  Listeria is a 3rd party tool, and we need a feature built-in Wikimedia. Also 
Listeria does not store the result in any structured way.

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NavinRizwi, CBogen, Akuckartz, ET4Eva, Nickleh, Nandana, Namenlos314, 
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[Gehel]

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  Isn't this mostly supported by 
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Listeria? What are the features missing?

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