[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata

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  @Aklapper I thank you for your answer. As promised, I discussed with all 
users about the issue and I presented the outcomes of that discussion in 
Wikimania 2019 conference. You can find my presentation at 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Languages_lightning_talks.webm and 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimania_2019_-_Arabic_Linguistics.pdf.
 The topic seems to be controversial. Middle Eastern users are struggling the 
idea despite all my attempts to convince them of the importance of this action. 
If all Arabic languages/dialects become recognized and supported, we will be 
able to enrich Wikidata with information about these languages. Please go 
through my Wikimania presentation and decide the best solution to the matter.

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  @Csisc: You need to add that information in T187344#3974892 
, not here.
  
  In T187344#3996726 , 
@Csisc wrote:
  
  > @1339861mzb Done. Let us continue our discussion in 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Tunisie/WikiLingua_Maghreb.
  
  @Csisc: What was the outcome of that discussion? Asking as task should not 
remain stalled forever

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Said Akl was a Radical Christian who supported the Idea of Radical Christian Militias (you can say the ISIS of the Arab Christians back then) that said Lebanese people were not Arabs, and that they spoke "Lebanese" which was heavily refused by the General Public. Those who still believed in this were the most extremists of these previous christian Militias.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T187344EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: BassemCc: 1339861mzb, thiemowmde, Arrbee, KartikMistry, Jsahleen, jhsoby, Petar.petkovic, santhosh, Mbch331, Bassem, Ibrahim.ID, FShbib, ASammour, Jar, Meno25, TerraCodes, Jay8g, Liuxinyu970226, Nikerabbit, Amire80, GerardM, satdeep_gill, millosh, Baba_Tabita, Aklapper, alanajjar, Csisc, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, Soum213, Srdjan_m, MuhammadShuaib, LNDDYL, Psychoslave, Luke081515, Wikidata-bugs, Snowolf, aude, Gryllida, Shizhao___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata

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In T187344#3996447, @Csisc wrote:
@Bassem @Ibrahim.ID @1339861mzb
 As you have seen, there is no political reason behind the proposal. The reason is linguistic. However, if you would like to further discuss with me about that, please keep in mind that phabricator is a website for Wikimedia technical discussions. That is why I invite you to continue our discussion in https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Tunisie/WikiLingua_Maghreb.


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In T187344#3996447, @Csisc wrote:
@Bassem @Ibrahim.ID @1339861mzb
 As you have seen, there is no political reason behind the proposal. The reason is linguistic. However, if you would like to further discuss with me about that, please keep in mind that phabricator is a website for Wikimedia technical discussions. That is why I invite you to continue our discussion in https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Tunisie/WikiLingua_Maghreb.


As you said it it is for technical discussion so that this task must be stoped because it is controversial until reaching to agreement on the relevant talk pageTASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T187344EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: 1339861mzbCc: 1339861mzb, thiemowmde, Arrbee, KartikMistry, Jsahleen, jhsoby, Petar.petkovic, santhosh, Mbch331, Bassem, Ibrahim.ID, Helmoony, FShbib, ASammour, Jar, Meno25, TerraCodes, Jay8g, Liuxinyu970226, Nikerabbit, Amire80, GerardM, satdeep_gill, millosh, Baba_Tabita, Aklapper, alanajjar, Csisc, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, Soum213, Srdjan_m, MuhammadShuaib, LNDDYL, Psychoslave, Luke081515, Wikidata-bugs, Snowolf, aude, Gryllida, Shizhao___
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@Bassem @Ibrahim.ID @1339861mzb
As you have seen, there is no political reason behind the proposal. The reason is linguistic. However, if you would like to further discuss with me about that, please keep in mind that phabricator is a website for Wikimedia technical discussions. That is why I invite you to continue our discussion in https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Tunisie/WikiLingua_Maghreb.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T187344EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: CsiscCc: 1339861mzb, thiemowmde, Arrbee, KartikMistry, Jsahleen, jhsoby, Petar.petkovic, santhosh, Mbch331, Bassem, Ibrahim.ID, Helmoony, FShbib, ASammour, Jar, Meno25, TerraCodes, Jay8g, Liuxinyu970226, Nikerabbit, Amire80, GerardM, satdeep_gill, millosh, Baba_Tabita, Aklapper, alanajjar, Csisc, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, Soum213, Srdjan_m, MuhammadShuaib, LNDDYL, Psychoslave, Luke081515, Wikidata-bugs, Snowolf, aude, Gryllida, Shizhao___
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@Bassem Concerning the intelligibility of Modern Standard Arabic, I did not say that Arab people do not understand Modern Standard Arabic at all. What I said is "Due to the existence of False friends between Modern Standard Arabic and Arabic dialects and due to the existence of several morphological particularities within the Arabic dialects, some Arabs can misunderstand some words within a text in Modern Standard Arabic. Adding labels to Wikidata entities will prevent such misunderstandings".

Examples:


بندق means pine nut in Tunisian and hazelnut in Modern Standard Arabic
بطيخ means melon in Tunisian and watermelon in Modern Standard Arabic
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@Bassem This is an article about Said Akl experience published in the Egyptian newspaper Al Youm Al Saba' in 2017.
http://m.youm7.com/story/2017/11/28/تعرف-على-حكاية-اللغة-اللبنانية-التى-اخترعها-سعيد-عقل/3530454TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T187344EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: CsiscCc: 1339861mzb, thiemowmde, Arrbee, KartikMistry, Jsahleen, jhsoby, Petar.petkovic, santhosh, Mbch331, Bassem, Ibrahim.ID, Helmoony, FShbib, ASammour, Jar, Meno25, TerraCodes, Jay8g, Liuxinyu970226, Nikerabbit, Amire80, GerardM, satdeep_gill, millosh, Baba_Tabita, Aklapper, alanajjar, Csisc, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, Soum213, Srdjan_m, MuhammadShuaib, LNDDYL, Psychoslave, Luke081515, Wikidata-bugs, Snowolf, aude, Gryllida, Shizhao___
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@Bassem You can contact Franck Salameh and discuss this with him. He can give you more details about the Said Akl experience:
https://scholar.google.ca/citations?user=c6JYttwJ=en=sra
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@Bassem You can describe better than me the situation of Lebanese as you are one of its native speakers. However, from what I see, there are still some channels like MTV Lebanon that deals with the efforts of Said Akl and that still use Said Akl's Arabic script writing system.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T187344EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: CsiscCc: 1339861mzb, thiemowmde, Arrbee, KartikMistry, Jsahleen, jhsoby, Petar.petkovic, santhosh, Mbch331, Bassem, Ibrahim.ID, Helmoony, FShbib, ASammour, Jar, Meno25, TerraCodes, Jay8g, Liuxinyu970226, Nikerabbit, Amire80, GerardM, satdeep_gill, millosh, Baba_Tabita, Aklapper, alanajjar, Csisc, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, Soum213, Srdjan_m, MuhammadShuaib, LNDDYL, Psychoslave, Luke081515, Wikidata-bugs, Snowolf, aude, Gryllida, Shizhao___
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Not true. I'm Lebanese and these so called "efforts" in Lebanon were done by some Christian militias during the Civil war cause they believed that being "Arab" = being "Muslim". These ideas were abandoned after the civil war ended in 1990 and the only people who kept talking about them were radicals. The official language of Lebanon and the Lebanese is Arabic as the constitution says. You are talking as if literal Arabic is not understood in Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisia, like we are writing in what? Classical Medieval Arabic! That's nonsense, and form of Arabic in the Maghrib are Accents and dialects, if some or even all Arabs felt they are harder to understand, its not like they'll have to "learn" it, give them some time and its will be understandable, as for the Maghrabi users, you make it sound like they'll never understand or adapt to Arabic Wikipedia, like they are learning and alien language. I'm totally against this, what you are saying is unconvincing at all.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T187344EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: BassemCc: 1339861mzb, thiemowmde, Arrbee, KartikMistry, Jsahleen, jhsoby, Petar.petkovic, santhosh, Mbch331, Bassem, Ibrahim.ID, Helmoony, FShbib, ASammour, Jar, Meno25, TerraCodes, Jay8g, Liuxinyu970226, Nikerabbit, Amire80, GerardM, satdeep_gill, millosh, Baba_Tabita, Aklapper, alanajjar, Csisc, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, Soum213, Srdjan_m, MuhammadShuaib, LNDDYL, Psychoslave, Luke081515, Wikidata-bugs, Snowolf, aude, Gryllida, Shizhao___
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@1339861 This is not always accurate. Moroccan Arabic is used in Education in Morocco. There are also efforts in this context in Algeria, in Tunisia, and in Lebanon. Furthermore, there are many resources that are written in Arabic dialects/languages since the early 20th Century. Scientists in Tunisia have even found school lessons, mystic poems, religious speeches, and administrative information written in Tunisian during the 18th and 19th Century. We will publish a paper about that. However, this is not the most important reason about adding labels in Arabic dialects to Wikidata. In fact, there are many false friends between Arabic dialects and Modern Standard Arabic. Adding labels in Arabic dialects to Wikidata will prevent users from misunderstanding the articles of the Arabic Wikipedia. Furthermore, there are many Arab people who do not have sufficient proficiency to read and understand Modern Standard Arabic as it should be due to the poor literacy rates in some Arab countries. Letting all human knowledge as provided by Wikidata converted into their Arabic dialect will help them to better understand the information they are searching for in Wikipedia editions.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T187344EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: CsiscCc: 1339861mzb, thiemowmde, Arrbee, KartikMistry, Jsahleen, jhsoby, Petar.petkovic, santhosh, Mbch331, Bassem, Ibrahim.ID, Helmoony, FShbib, ASammour, Jar, Meno25, TerraCodes, Jay8g, Liuxinyu970226, Nikerabbit, Amire80, GerardM, satdeep_gill, millosh, Baba_Tabita, Aklapper, alanajjar, Csisc, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, Soum213, Srdjan_m, MuhammadShuaib, LNDDYL, Psychoslave, Luke081515, Wikidata-bugs, Snowolf, aude, Gryllida, Shizhao___
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I totally disagree with that. Arabic dialect are neither used in education system nor in formal daily life transactions starting from simplest birth certificate to the most complex governmental transactions. I see no sense in the employment of dialect  in wikidata labels.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T187344EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: 1339861mzbCc: 1339861mzb, thiemowmde, Arrbee, KartikMistry, Jsahleen, jhsoby, Petar.petkovic, santhosh, Mbch331, Bassem, Ibrahim.ID, Helmoony, FShbib, ASammour, Jar, Meno25, TerraCodes, Jay8g, Liuxinyu970226, Nikerabbit, Amire80, GerardM, satdeep_gill, millosh, Baba_Tabita, Aklapper, alanajjar, Csisc, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, Soum213, Srdjan_m, MuhammadShuaib, LNDDYL, Psychoslave, Luke081515, Wikidata-bugs, Snowolf, aude, Gryllida, Shizhao___
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@Nikerabbit If you need several other information, please write me soon.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T187344EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: CsiscCc: thiemowmde, Arrbee, KartikMistry, Jsahleen, jhsoby, Petar.petkovic, santhosh, Mbch331, Bassem, Ibrahim.ID, Helmoony, FShbib, ASammour, Jar, Meno25, TerraCodes, Jay8g, Liuxinyu970226, Nikerabbit, Amire80, GerardM, satdeep_gill, millosh, Baba_Tabita, Aklapper, alanajjar, Csisc, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, Soum213, Srdjan_m, MuhammadShuaib, LNDDYL, Psychoslave, Luke081515, Wikidata-bugs, Snowolf, aude, Gryllida, Shizhao___
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Geographical areas:


apc: Syria, Lebanon
ajp: Palestine, Jordan
afb: Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, UAE, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar
acw: Saudi Arabia
ars: Saudi Arabia
ayh: Yemen
ayn: Yemen
acq: Yemen
acm: العراقي
acy: Cyprus
arz: Egypt
avl: الرقاوي, الشاوي, or البدوي
apd: Sudan
abv: البحراني
ayl: Libya
aeb-arab: Tunisia
arq:  Algeria
ary: Morocco
mea: Mauritania, Senegal, Mali, Morocco, and Algeria
aao: Algeria, Western Sahara, and Niger
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@Nikerabbit Their script is Arabic script.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T187344EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: CsiscCc: thiemowmde, Arrbee, KartikMistry, Jsahleen, jhsoby, Petar.petkovic, santhosh, Mbch331, Bassem, Ibrahim.ID, Helmoony, FShbib, ASammour, Jar, Meno25, TerraCodes, Jay8g, Liuxinyu970226, Nikerabbit, Amire80, GerardM, satdeep_gill, millosh, Baba_Tabita, Aklapper, alanajjar, Csisc, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, Soum213, Srdjan_m, MuhammadShuaib, LNDDYL, Psychoslave, Luke081515, Wikidata-bugs, Snowolf, aude, Gryllida, Shizhao___
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In T187344#3995616, @Csisc wrote:
@Nikerabbit So, I ask if you can add these Arabic languages to ULS.


You haven't provided all required information, see T187344#3974892 and if you want me to make a pull request to language-data there will be additional delays as I cannot review my own patches.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T187344EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: NikerabbitCc: thiemowmde, Arrbee, KartikMistry, Jsahleen, jhsoby, Petar.petkovic, santhosh, Mbch331, Bassem, Ibrahim.ID, Helmoony, FShbib, ASammour, Jar, Meno25, TerraCodes, Jay8g, Liuxinyu970226, Nikerabbit, Amire80, GerardM, satdeep_gill, millosh, Baba_Tabita, Aklapper, alanajjar, Csisc, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, Soum213, Srdjan_m, MuhammadShuaib, LNDDYL, Psychoslave, Luke081515, Wikidata-bugs, Snowolf, aude, Gryllida, Shizhao___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata

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@Nikerabbit So, I ask if you can add these Arabic languages to ULS.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T187344EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: CsiscCc: thiemowmde, Arrbee, KartikMistry, Jsahleen, jhsoby, Petar.petkovic, santhosh, Mbch331, Bassem, Ibrahim.ID, Helmoony, FShbib, ASammour, Jar, Meno25, TerraCodes, Jay8g, Liuxinyu970226, Nikerabbit, Amire80, GerardM, satdeep_gill, millosh, Baba_Tabita, Aklapper, alanajjar, Csisc, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, Soum213, Srdjan_m, MuhammadShuaib, LNDDYL, Psychoslave, Luke081515, Wikidata-bugs, Snowolf, aude, Gryllida, Shizhao___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata

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In T187344#3992975, @Baba_Tabita wrote:
Afaik, any language to be added to the ULS has to have a certain proportion of translations done at translatewiki.net


That is not correct. ULS (or nowdays language-data where this data is) takes any valid language code.

That requirement only applies for adding languages to Names.php in MediaWiki core.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T187344EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: NikerabbitCc: thiemowmde, Arrbee, KartikMistry, Jsahleen, jhsoby, Petar.petkovic, santhosh, Mbch331, Bassem, Ibrahim.ID, Helmoony, FShbib, ASammour, Jar, Meno25, TerraCodes, Jay8g, Liuxinyu970226, Nikerabbit, Amire80, GerardM, satdeep_gill, millosh, Baba_Tabita, Aklapper, alanajjar, Csisc, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, Soum213, Srdjan_m, MuhammadShuaib, LNDDYL, Psychoslave, Luke081515, Wikidata-bugs, Snowolf, aude, Gryllida, Shizhao___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata

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@Baba_Tabita We will begin working on Tunisian, Algerian, Moroccan and Egyptian as they are already supported by ULS.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T187344EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: CsiscCc: thiemowmde, Arrbee, KartikMistry, Jsahleen, jhsoby, Petar.petkovic, santhosh, Mbch331, Bassem, Ibrahim.ID, Helmoony, FShbib, ASammour, Jar, Meno25, TerraCodes, Jay8g, Liuxinyu970226, Nikerabbit, Amire80, GerardM, satdeep_gill, millosh, Baba_Tabita, Aklapper, alanajjar, Csisc, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, Soum213, Srdjan_m, MuhammadShuaib, LNDDYL, Psychoslave, Luke081515, Wikidata-bugs, Snowolf, aude, Gryllida, Shizhao___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata

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@Baba_Tabita That's clear. I will see what I can do.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T187344EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: CsiscCc: thiemowmde, Arrbee, KartikMistry, Jsahleen, jhsoby, Petar.petkovic, santhosh, Mbch331, Bassem, Ibrahim.ID, Helmoony, FShbib, ASammour, Jar, Meno25, TerraCodes, Jay8g, Liuxinyu970226, Nikerabbit, Amire80, GerardM, satdeep_gill, millosh, Baba_Tabita, Aklapper, alanajjar, Csisc, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, Soum213, Srdjan_m, MuhammadShuaib, LNDDYL, Psychoslave, Luke081515, Wikidata-bugs, Snowolf, aude, Gryllida, Shizhao___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata

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As has been said, for use in labels and descriptions, a language has to be added to the ULS. Afaik, any language to be added to the ULS has to have a certain proportion of translations done at translatewiki.net - see https://translatewiki.net/wiki/FAQ#How_to_add_a_new_language
I wanted Rangi [lag] added to the ULS (once upon a time) and am still working on it. Without professional translators who know what they're doing, i.e. have the technical vocabulary, and are also native speakers of the target language, I don't see how this can happen.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T187344EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Baba_TabitaCc: thiemowmde, Arrbee, KartikMistry, Jsahleen, jhsoby, Petar.petkovic, santhosh, Mbch331, Bassem, Ibrahim.ID, Helmoony, FShbib, ASammour, Jar, Meno25, TerraCodes, Jay8g, Liuxinyu970226, Nikerabbit, Amire80, GerardM, satdeep_gill, millosh, Baba_Tabita, Aklapper, alanajjar, Csisc, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, Soum213, Srdjan_m, MuhammadShuaib, LNDDYL, Psychoslave, Luke081515, Wikidata-bugs, Snowolf, aude, Gryllida, Shizhao___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata

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In T187344#3984000, @Csisc wrote:
@Mbch331 I will not raise the priority again. However, please try to work on it


I don't know this part of the code base. So I can't make a patch for this. Second as I mentioned before: there is no approval by the langcom. So there is no reason to start working on a patch.
So step 1: Get langcom to approve your request.
Step 2: find someone that knows this part of the code base and can make the appropriate patch(es).TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T187344EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Mbch331Cc: Arrbee, KartikMistry, Jsahleen, jhsoby, Petar.petkovic, santhosh, Mbch331, Bassem, Ibrahim.ID, Helmoony, FShbib, ASammour, Jar, Meno25, TerraCodes, Jay8g, Liuxinyu970226, Nikerabbit, Amire80, GerardM, satdeep_gill, millosh, Baba_Tabita, Aklapper, alanajjar, Csisc, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, Soum213, Srdjan_m, MuhammadShuaib, LNDDYL, Psychoslave, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Gryllida, Shizhao___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata

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@Mbch331 I will not raise the priority again. However, please try to work on itTASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T187344EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: CsiscCc: Arrbee, KartikMistry, Jsahleen, jhsoby, Petar.petkovic, santhosh, Mbch331, Bassem, Ibrahim.ID, Helmoony, FShbib, ASammour, Jar, Meno25, TerraCodes, Jay8g, Liuxinyu970226, Nikerabbit, Amire80, GerardM, satdeep_gill, millosh, Baba_Tabita, Aklapper, alanajjar, Csisc, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, Soum213, Srdjan_m, MuhammadShuaib, LNDDYL, Psychoslave, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Gryllida, Shizhao___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata

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In T187344#3981589, @GerardM wrote:
Hoi,
 I understand how this could work for the dictionary part of Wikidata. I
 understand how it could work for labels and aliases. Why do you think this
 will work for descriptions?
 Thanks,

GerardM


This is the second part of the work. Here, we need native speakers to collaborate. The principle is simple. We will use Descriptioner for that. It will add the same description of the entities having the same links with other Wikidata entities.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T187344EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: CsiscCc: Mbch331, Bassem, Ibrahim.ID, Helmoony, FShbib, ASammour, Jar, Meno25, TerraCodes, Jay8g, Liuxinyu970226, Nikerabbit, Amire80, GerardM, satdeep_gill, millosh, Baba_Tabita, Aklapper, alanajjar, Csisc, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, Soum213, Srdjan_m, MuhammadShuaib, LNDDYL, Psychoslave, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Gryllida, Shizhao, Arrbee, santhosh, KartikMistry___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata

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Hoi,
I understand how this could work for the dictionary part of Wikidata. I
understand how it could work for labels and aliases. Why do you think this
will work for descriptions?
Thanks,

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