Re: [Wikidata-l] Page history and properties

2013-04-05 Thread Gregor Hagedorn
On 4 April 2013 22:23, Michael Hale hale.michael...@live.com wrote: trench, then I just want to update it on Wikidata, and then every article that references it will be updated. I don't want to have to update it on Wikidata and then go do a null edit on every article that uses that

Re: [Wikidata-l] Page history and properties

2013-04-05 Thread Mathieu Stumpf
Le 2013-04-05 09:32, Gregor Hagedorn a écrit : On 4 April 2013 22:23, Michael Hale hale.michael...@live.com wrote: trench, then I just want to update it on Wikidata, and then every article that references it will be updated. I don't want to have to update it on Wikidata and then go do a null

Re: [Wikidata-l] Page history and properties

2013-04-05 Thread Gregor Hagedorn
My concern is, that the Wikidata editors, those not with random editing behavior, but those who are curators/caretakers of specific pages, experience a disempowerment, because they loose control. I view the decision to inform about wikidata changes only in the short-lived recentchanges, but not

Re: [Wikidata-l] Usability flaws

2013-04-05 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 05/04/13 16:00, Lukas Benedix wrote: * when no text is available in the users language the statement section looks like this: http://lbenedix.monoceres.uberspace.de/screenshots/mejpee0fxi_(2013-04-05_15.34.41).png

Re: [Wikidata-l] Page history and properties

2013-04-05 Thread Michael Hale
The thing to remember is that the history of a page is the history of the wiki markup for the page, not the history of the rendered HTML. It would be misleading if edits were shown in the markup history for an article each time a template or Wikidata item changed because reverting the markup to

Re: [Wikidata-l] Page history and properties

2013-04-05 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Michael Hale hale.michael...@live.com wrote: The thing to remember is that the history of a page is the history of the wiki markup for the page, not the history of the rendered HTML. It would be misleading if edits were shown in the markup history for an article

Re: [Wikidata-l] Page history and properties

2013-04-05 Thread Michael Hale
Oh, nice. From: lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 20:07:44 +0200 To: wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] Page history and properties On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Michael Hale hale.michael...@live.com wrote: The thing to remember is that the

Re: [Wikidata-l] Page history and properties

2013-04-05 Thread Gregor Hagedorn
On 5 April 2013 20:05, Michael Hale hale.michael...@live.com wrote: The thing to remember is that the history of a page is the history of the wiki markup for the page, not the history of the rendered HTML. It would be misleading if edits were shown in the markup history for an article each

Re: [Wikidata-l] Page history and properties

2013-04-05 Thread Michael Hale
Well, I could make a view that shows the diff of a Wikipedia article stacked on top of the diff for the corresponding Wikidata item on my computer in a few minutes. But diffs can be very long sometimes, so there would be a lot of discussion about whether that view is more appropriate than just

Re: [Wikidata-l] Page history and properties

2013-04-05 Thread Gregor Hagedorn
On 5 April 2013 21:41, Michael Hale hale.michael...@live.com wrote: Well, I could make a view that shows the diff of a Wikipedia article stacked on top of the diff for the corresponding Wikidata item on my computer in a few minutes. But diffs can be very long sometimes, so there would be a lot

Re: [Wikidata-l] Page history and properties

2013-04-05 Thread Michael Hale
So you agree that it is more important to reduce clutter than to add functionality that very few people use? They used to save backups of the HTML versions of pages, but they stopped 5 years ago because it's not worth the extra overhead for something so few people use.

Re: [Wikidata-l] Page history and properties

2013-04-05 Thread Gregor Hagedorn
On 5 April 2013 23:19, Michael Hale hale.michael...@live.com wrote: So you agree that it is more important to reduce clutter than to add functionality that very few people use? No, I strongly disagree with this. I think the functionality of being able to curate the page Wikipedia editors care

Re: [Wikidata-l] Page history and properties

2013-04-05 Thread Michael Hale
But you do agree that it is easier to curate articles by updating one value in a database than updating the value separately everywhere it appears? From: g.m.haged...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 23:45:10 +0200 To: wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] Page history and

[Wikidata-l] weekly summary #52

2013-04-05 Thread Lydia Pintscher
Heya folks :) Here's your summary of what happened around Wikidata over the last week. = Development = * The first year is over. Thank you everyone for being amazing and helping to build Wikidata and making it more than we could possibly have hoped for already. 3 * Put a lot of work into

Re: [Wikidata-l] Page history and properties

2013-04-05 Thread Gregor Hagedorn
On 5 April 2013 23:53, Michael Hale hale.michael...@live.com wrote: But you do agree that it is easier to curate articles by updating one value in a database than updating the value separately everywhere it appears? Absolutely. But in my experience Wikipedia editors care about the product of a