Re: [Wikidata-l] Provenance tracking on the Web with NIF-URIs

2012-06-23 Thread Dan Brickley
On 22 Jun 2012, at 17:20, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote: Here's the use case: Every statement in Wikidata will have a URI. Every statement can have one more references. In many cases, the reference might be text on a website. As an aside, a growing number of such pages

Re: [Wikidata-l] Provenance tracking on the Web with NIF-URIs

2012-06-22 Thread Martynas Jusevičius
Denny, the statement-level of granularity you're describing is achieved by RDF reification. You describe it however as a deprecated mechanism of provenance, without backing it up. Why do you think there must be a better mechanism? Maybe you should take another look at reification, or lower your

Re: [Wikidata-l] Provenance tracking on the Web with NIF-URIs

2012-06-22 Thread Martynas Jusevičius
It says deprecated on the Data model wiki. So maybe Wikidata doesn't need statement-level granularity? Maybe the named graph approach is good enough? But it's not based on statements. If you build this kind of data model on the relational, not to mention provenance, you will not be able to

Re: [Wikidata-l] Provenance tracking on the Web with NIF-URIs

2012-06-22 Thread Martynas Jusevičius
You do not need the full expressive power of SPARQL or graph querying -- what kind of query mechanism is Wikidata planning to support in later stages? I don't suppose the data model will be redesigned for that? So in that case you have to have queries in mind from the start of its design.

Re: [Wikidata-l] Provenance tracking on the Web with NIF-URIs

2012-06-21 Thread Sebastian Hellmann
Hello Denny, I was traveling for the past few weeks and can finally answer your email. See my comments inline. On 05/29/2012 05:25 PM, Denny Vrandečić wrote: Hello Sebastian, Just a few questions - as you note, it is easier if we all use the same standards, and so I want to ask about the

[Wikidata-l] Provenance tracking on the Web with NIF-URIs

2012-05-16 Thread Sebastian Hellmann
Dear all, (Note: I could not find the document, where your requirements regarding the tracking of facts on the web are written, so I am giving a general introduction to NIF. Please send me a link to the document that specifies your need for tracing facts on the web, thanks) I would like to