Re: [Wikidata-l] Users do understand Wikidata less than before

2014-10-20 Thread rupert THURNER
Gerard how do you, within wikidata, properly handle the case where an article is there on enwp, and a paragraph and a redirect to it is there on dewp? Rupert On Oct 18, 2014 1:21 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, As you correctly quote, one of the requirements is an

Re: [Wikidata-l] Users do understand Wikidata less than before

2014-10-20 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, We do not support redirects. We do not support paragraphs.Wikidata is not designed to support either. Thanks, GerardM On 20 October 2014 10:39, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote: Gerard how do you, within wikidata, properly handle the case where an article is there on

Re: [Wikidata-l] Users do understand Wikidata less than before

2014-10-20 Thread James Heald
Well actually, we *do* support redirects. One just has to be a bit crafty in how one creates them. Do you have a problem with that? If so, what is your problem? -- James. On 20/10/2014 11:45, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, We do not support redirects. We do not support paragraphs.Wikidata

Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-10-20 Thread Derric Atzrott
With articles it is obvious. The subject matter that will be provided IS what is advertised. This is NOT the case with re-directs. They point to somewhere arbitrary and there is no way to ensure that the redirect remains consistent and fits the subject of the Wikidata item well. I've seen

Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-10-20 Thread Derric Atzrott
Just realized that I was not actually caught up but replying to a message from a few days ago. Sorry if the discussion has moved on. . Thank you, Derric Atzrott ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikidata-l] Associating WD items with WP article sections (it was: redirects, workflow)

2014-10-20 Thread Derric Atzrott
There are major problems using redirects as sitelinks. The top one is that they do not always point to the concept they should, and even if they do, there is no guarantee that this redirect will keep pointing to the same place (normally to a section of another article), since the section

[Wikidata-l] weekly summary #129

2014-10-20 Thread Lydia Pintscher
Hey folks :) Here's your weekly dose of Wikidata updates: Discussions - Do you want to see constraint violation reports and referencing improved? Please provide input https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikidata-l/2014-October/004778.html . Events

Re: [Wikidata-l] Associating WD items with WP article sections (it was: redirects, workflow)

2014-10-20 Thread David Cuenca
Another thing that I am seeing now is that parsoid plans to add IDs to all elements: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parsoid/MediaWiki_DOM_spec/Element_IDs I don't know enough about it to see if those element IDs could be used as section identifiers, but it might be well worth to ask about it.

Re: [Wikidata-l] Associating WD items with WP article sections (it was: redirects, workflow)

2014-10-20 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I am totally happy for Wikipedia to have redirects. I do not mind as long as it stops there,. Thanks, GerardM On 20 October 2014 22:24, James Heald j.he...@ucl.ac.uk wrote: I think we have to look at what people actually use: overwhelmingly, that is redirects, not labelled section

Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-10-20 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 19 October 2014 22:11, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: No James, redirects do not have templates or categories Yes, they do. See, for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:R_from_relative as used on, for example:

[Wikidata-l] How to express property constraints correctly?

2014-10-20 Thread David Cuenca
I'm thinking of possible ways to represent constraints as items (see [1]), like those in: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P19 However some of these are not easy to translate into Wikidata proper. For example: place of birth (P19) Conflicts with instance of (P31): criminal delict