Re: [Wikidata-l] less hard-core version of the data model

2012-06-22 Thread Bináris
I like it and I think it will be readable for many non-technical Wikipedians. -- Bináris ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

Re: [Wikidata-l] Provenance tracking on the Web with NIF-URIs

2012-06-22 Thread Martynas Jusevičius
"You do not need the full expressive power of SPARQL or graph querying" -- what kind of query mechanism is Wikidata planning to support in later stages? I don't suppose the data model will be redesigned for that? So in that case you have to have queries in mind from the start of its design. Regard

[Wikidata-l] weekly summary #11

2012-06-22 Thread Lydia Pintscher
Hi folks! Here's the summary of what happened in Wikidata during the last week. The wiki version is here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Status_updates/2012_06_22 = Development = * More work on auto entries in the revision history for data edits * Worked on replacing interlanguage and in

Re: [Wikidata-l] Provenance tracking on the Web with NIF-URIs

2012-06-22 Thread Sebastian Hellmann
Dear Martynas, as far as I understand it, Wikidata will not need to worry about named graphs or alike. IIRC Wikidata is building a fast software to edit facts and generate infoboxes. You do not need the full expressive power of SPARQL or graph querying. That is a different use case and can be d

Re: [Wikidata-l] Provenance tracking on the Web with NIF-URIs

2012-06-22 Thread Martynas Jusevičius
It says "deprecated" on the Data model wiki. So maybe Wikidata doesn't need statement-level granularity? Maybe the named graph approach is good enough? But it's not based on statements. If you build this kind of data model on the relational, not to mention provenance, you will not be able to prov

Re: [Wikidata-l] Provenance tracking on the Web with NIF-URIs

2012-06-22 Thread Sebastian Hellmann
Denny didn't even use the word "deprecated". Reification for statement-level provenance works, but you won't be able to sell it as an elegant solution to the problem. So "could" - yes , "should" - ?? - probably not If Wikidata is using statement-level provenance, there might be better ways to

Re: [Wikidata-l] Provenance tracking on the Web with NIF-URIs

2012-06-22 Thread Martynas Jusevičius
Denny, the statement-level of granularity you're describing is achieved by RDF reification. You describe it however as a "deprecated mechanism" of provenance, without backing it up. Why do you think there must be a better mechanism? Maybe you should take another look at reification, or lower your

Re: [Wikidata-l] reworked storyboard for linking Wikipedia articles

2012-06-22 Thread Marco Fleckinger
Hello, On 2012-06-20 16:51, Friedrich Röhrs wrote: I have to say i find the story board really confusing. If I click on add language links i would assume to get some sort of form where i can add/remove/edit language links that will be shown on the left. I have to however choose only 1 language a

Re: [Wikidata-l] Provenance tracking on the Web with NIF-URIs

2012-06-22 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Here's the use case: Every statement in Wikidata will have a URI. Every statement can have one more references. In many cases, the reference might be text on a website. Whereas it is always possible (and probably what we will do first) as well as correct to state: Statement1 accordingTo SlashDot

Re: [Wikidata-l] less hard-core version of the data model

2012-06-22 Thread Denny Vrandečić
We are working on the RDF export draft. We will not extend RDF in any way, but use it to express the model in its entirety. We will post to this list once this is drafted. Cheers, Denny 2012/6/22 Paul A. Houle : > On 6/20/2012 6:39 AM, Lydia Pintscher wrote: >> Heya folks :) >> >> We've published