Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata license (was "Introduction and some questions on Wikidata")

2012-11-28 Thread Platonides
On 28/11/12 17:58, Luca Martinelli wrote: > I share Denny's worries. > > If we adopt ODBL, all WMF projects *will have to* add a note about > structured data taken from Wikidata (like "data are released in ODBL" > or similar), or they should be bi-licensed (CC-BY-SA 3.0 Unported + > ODBL what.ever

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata license (was "Introduction and some questions on Wikidata")

2012-11-28 Thread Alexrk
Denny Vrandečić schrieb am 28.11.2012 17:23: Can you give me a reference for the statement that CCBYSA and ODBL are compatible? I understand that they have certain similarities, but I want to understand if I can take ODBL content and relicense it under CCBYSA and the other way around. Probably

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata license (was "Introduction and some questions on Wikidata")

2012-11-28 Thread Luca Martinelli
2012/11/28 Denny Vrandečić : > So since ODBL and CCBYSA are not compatible, why would it be less of a > source of possible conflicts and infringements of Wikipedia's content > license to use ODBL instead of CC0? I share Denny's worries. If we adopt ODBL, all WMF projects *will have to* add a note

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata license (was "Introduction and some questions on Wikidata")

2012-11-28 Thread Denny Vrandečić
So since ODBL and CCBYSA are not compatible, why would it be less of a source of possible conflicts and infringements of Wikipedia's content license to use ODBL instead of CC0? 2012/11/28 Benjamin Ooghe-Tabanou > No you cannot: CC-BY-SA is not intended for data, so regarding data > you should

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata license (was "Introduction and some questions on Wikidata")

2012-11-28 Thread Benjamin Ooghe-Tabanou
No you cannot: CC-BY-SA is not intended for data, so regarding data you should never use any CC licence (pre-version 4.0, v4 will address database rights) other than CC0. That's why if you want BY-SA conditions, the good choice is ODbL which was created by the Open Knowledge Foundation exactly for

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata license (was "Introduction and some questions on Wikidata")

2012-11-28 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Can you give me a reference for the statement that CCBYSA and ODBL are compatible? I understand that they have certain similarities, but I want to understand if I can take ODBL content and relicense it under CCBYSA and the other way around. Or else what do you mean with "compatible"? 2012/11/28

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata license (was "Introduction and some questions on Wikidata")

2012-11-28 Thread Alexrk
I guess things would be far more easier if WikiData would choose a CCBYSA-compatible database license like ODbL. I can only repeat myself, that the OpenStreetMap community went through a similar discussion and decided to respect database rights and keep their data as clean as possible. Because

Re: [Wikidata-l] Behavior on null edit

2012-11-28 Thread Merlissimo
Am 28.11.2012 14:43, schrieb Marco Fleckinger: One possible solution I could imagine is to interwiki-links right under the headlines. This would be quite similar as section references are handled in several Bibles as well. Cheers, Marco On 28/11/12 12:26, Denny Vrandečić wrote: Let us see, onc

Re: [Wikidata-l] Property specification on-wiki

2012-11-28 Thread Denny Vrandečić
But we can have claims on properties. We do have the facilities to enable this. Or am I wrong? 2012/11/16 Jeroen De Dauw > Hey, > > (Mail mainly directed at Denny) > > I am wondering to what extend we want to be able to specify the "data > type" of a property on wiki. Right now one can only pro

Re: [Wikidata-l] Behavior on null edit

2012-11-28 Thread Marco Fleckinger
One possible solution I could imagine is to interwiki-links right under the headlines. This would be quite similar as section references are handled in several Bibles as well. Cheers, Marco On 28/11/12 12:26, Denny Vrandečić wrote: Let us see, once Wikidata has replaced most of the local lang

Re: [Wikidata-l] Deadlines - phases #1-3

2012-11-28 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Thanks, Snaevar. I closed bug 38542 as resolved, and I removed 41345 as being a dependency. 2012/11/27 Snaevar > I suppose Wikidata will be enabled on the Wikipedias when the dependancies > of bug 38975 [1] are fixed and the Wikibase Client & Wikibase Lib > extensions are installed on the wik

Re: [Wikidata-l] Behavior on null edit

2012-11-28 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Let us see, once Wikidata has replaced most of the local language links, what is left and how the world looks then. This would be then the appropriate moment to consider how to further extend the system. Right now we would be building on too many assumptions that we cannot validate for a rather sma

Re: [Wikidata-l] Deadlines - phases #1-3

2012-11-28 Thread Denny Vrandečić
There is currently no plan from our side to move the project information from Meta to Wikidata. It would be quite a bit of work with no clear benefit. Whether the status should be shown on the Wikidata home page should be discussed on the talk page of the Wikidata homepage, that's nothing that we

Re: [Wikidata-l] Behavior on null edit

2012-11-28 Thread Daniel Kinzler
On 28.11.2012 09:47, Lukas Benedix wrote: > Is there any reason not to have links from wikidata/FooBar to > en.wiki/FooBar and de.wiki/Foo#Bar? It would be a directed edge, but is > that a problem? Hm... yes, that's a problem. We are relying in multiple places o nthe assumption that there is only

Re: [Wikidata-l] Behavior on null edit

2012-11-28 Thread Bináris
2012/11/27 Daniel Kinzler > Note > however that the English article can only have one outgoing interlanguage > link > to german, the others are ignored (this was changed in core a few weeks > ago, > unrelated to wikidata). > > So that's why my user page was spoiled! I used more English iws to tr

Re: [Wikidata-l] Deadlines - phases #1-3

2012-11-28 Thread Jan Kučera
Denny, thanks for info... Lydia, what about moving and centralizing all wikidata info from Meta to Wikidata.org? And what about having a clear project status right on the homepage of Wikidata.org? J. 2012/11/27 Denny Vrandečić > As said, this is correct with regard to deployment. We will not,

Re: [Wikidata-l] Behavior on null edit

2012-11-28 Thread Lukas Benedix
Is there any reason not to have links from wikidata/FooBar to en.wiki/FooBar and de.wiki/Foo#Bar? It would be a directed edge, but is that a problem? I think there are a lot of articles especially in the german wikipedia where you don't have FooBar but Foo#Bar. LB > On 27.11.2012 19:30, Marco Fl