Re: [Wikidata-l] External identifiers vs. Wikidata-internal links data

2015-04-04 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Apr 4, 2015 02:37, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi all -- Have we considered separating in some way (in the UI, and possibly the data model) properties which track identifiers in external databases vs. properties that describe the item using Wikidata-internal links? As more and

Re: [Wikidata-l] External identifiers vs. Wikidata-internal links data

2015-04-04 Thread Stas Malyshev
Hi! away from the old layout and that is very welcome. Singling out the external resources does not make sense at this time. It is true that more structure in general would be good, but I think there's some difference between external IDs and other properties - namely, the former convey almost

Re: [Wikidata-l] External identifiers vs. Wikidata-internal links data

2015-04-04 Thread Stas Malyshev
Hi! I agree this would be a nice idea. I believe it would be relatively easy to do, if only properties could have properties of their own. AFAIK they can, e.g. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P35 -- Stas Malyshev smalys...@wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikidata-l] Data templates

2015-04-04 Thread Jane Darnell
The more I think about this issue, the more I think we need a separate animal altogether that sits between Wikidata and Wikipedia (or alongside it somehow) and that is a quick-ref simple mobile version that acts as a go-between to image data on Commons (or any other WM project). Right now

Re: [Wikidata-l] External identifiers vs. Wikidata-internal links data

2015-04-04 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Stas Malyshev, 04/04/2015 09:29: away from the old layout and that is very welcome. Singling out the external resources does not make sense at this time. It is true that more structure in general would be good, but I think there's some difference between external IDs and other properties -

Re: [Wikidata-l] External identifiers vs. Wikidata-internal links data

2015-04-04 Thread Smolenski Nikola
Citiranje Thad Guidry thadgui...@gmail.com: I think a simple naming convention would suffice (and clean up the existing ones): blah ID such as for example: CANTIC ID Freebase ID Munzinger IBA ID NLP ID dmoz ID Oxford Biography Index ID SELIBR ID How would you name ISBN, for example?

Re: [Wikidata-l] External identifiers vs. Wikidata-internal links data

2015-04-04 Thread Smolenski Nikola
Citiranje Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org: Have we considered separating in some way (in the UI, and possibly the data model) properties which track identifiers in external databases vs. properties that describe the item using Wikidata-internal links? As more and more external identifiers are

Re: [Wikidata-l] External identifiers vs. Wikidata-internal links data

2015-04-04 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Reasonator is read only in the sense that the display does not update itself when you make an edit from it through Widar. Even that is not strictly true; the label of the article itself will update when you add a label in your language and once it has been included in Wikidata. I really

Re: [Wikidata-l] External identifiers vs. Wikidata-internal links data

2015-04-04 Thread Thomas Douillard
@Nemo: I guess a class of properties ''external identifier definition property'' with isbn instance of external identifier prop could be useful as well. 2015-04-04 11:16 GMT+02:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com: Stas Malyshev, 04/04/2015 09:29: away from the old layout and that is

Re: [Wikidata-l] External identifiers vs. Wikidata-internal links data

2015-04-04 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Hi Erik, hi all, Aren't those properties already distinguished by the classification statements we now have on property pages? For example: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P214 Defines the VIAF id to be a unique identifier (yes, this is somewhat questionable modelling, since a

Re: [Wikidata-l] Data templates

2015-04-04 Thread Valentine Charles
Hello, Coming back on my previous email, I do indeed understand that Wikidata wants structured data as much as possible. But you might have free-text information that might not fit in a given property or even have meaning only as a free -text description (abstract, quotes..).GLAM's are for

Re: [Wikidata-l] OWL based ontologies as basis for Wikidata item interactions and property proposal

2015-04-04 Thread Emw
Sebastian, Benjamin, Elvira, Andra, Andrew, Kudos on your progress with an OWL-centric approach to knowledge representation. The community has been incorporating OWL concepts into property definitions and ontology development on-wiki for some time, but yours is the first Wikidata group I'm aware

Re: [Wikidata-l] External identifiers vs. Wikidata-internal links data

2015-04-04 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 4 April 2015 at 10:20, Thomas Douillard thomas.douill...@gmail.com wrote: I guess a class of properties ''external identifier definition property'' with isbn instance of external identifier prop could be useful as well. The property for an ORCID iD (P 496), for example, is an instance of

Re: [Wikidata-l] External identifiers vs. Wikidata-internal links data

2015-04-04 Thread David Cuenca
Hi all, On a side note I would like to mention that labels and aliases are external identifiers, perhaps not as accurate as database IDs, as natural language users tend to stretch the conceptual boundaries, but they can also be referenced and sourced. If, as Lydia says, database IDs will have

Re: [Wikidata-l] External identifiers vs. Wikidata-internal links data

2015-04-04 Thread Helder .
On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 5:19 AM, Smolenski Nikola smole...@eunet.rs wrote: Citiranje Thad Guidry thadgui...@gmail.com: I think a simple naming convention would suffice (and clean up the existing ones): blah ID such as for example: CANTIC ID Freebase ID Munzinger IBA ID NLP ID dmoz ID

Re: [Wikidata-l] Data templates

2015-04-04 Thread Daniel Kinzler
For things that actually *are* free text, and not terribly long, a monolongual (or, in the future, multilingual) text property could be used. quote already exists, abstract could be added, pending community discussion. Length limitations can be adjusted if need be. What I was warning against is

Re: [Wikidata-l] Data templates

2015-04-04 Thread Joe Filceolaire
I think there is a case for including this structured data disguised as text but it should go in the reference for a statement On 4 Apr 2015 18:07, Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de wrote: For things that actually *are* free text, and not terribly long, a monolongual (or, in the

Re: [Wikidata-l] Data templates

2015-04-04 Thread Ricordisamoa
Il 02/04/2015 13:51, Daniel Kinzler ha scritto: Am 02.04.2015 um 09:03 schrieb Valentine Charles: Regarding the dimensions, it is great to know that it is on your plate. I was wondering is there a place where we can see the classes/properties that are in the pipeline and participate to

Re: [Wikidata-l] External identifiers vs. Wikidata-internal links data

2015-04-04 Thread Thad Guidry
Ah, as Markus mentions, since we already have https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/ Property:P214 Then the rest of the problem is just a readability issue. So there is no need for renaming property names as I suggested and suffixing with ID P214 solves the grouping problem fairly easily. And Lydia

[Wikidata-l] Call for Election Committee candidates

2015-04-04 Thread Alice Wiegand
Hi Everyone, 2015 is an election year for the Board of Trustees of the Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Board_of_Trustees as well as for the Funds Dissemination Committee https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Funds_Dissemination_Committee. As you may recall the

Re: [Wikidata-l] Mapping Wikidata properties to Freebase properties

2015-04-04 Thread Stas Malyshev
Hi! A second step is maybe to map Freebase properties to Wikidata ones. Example: http://www.freebase.com/m/0jsd7n may be mapped to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P21 But I am not sure if we should use https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P646 (as for items) or directly use

Re: [Wikidata-l] External identifiers vs. Wikidata-internal links data

2015-04-04 Thread apoh...@o2.pl
+1 I have exactly the same impression when reading individual pages on Wikidata. Cheers, Aleksander Smywiński-Pohl Wł. So, 04 kwi 2015 22:50:05 +0200 Stas Malyshev lt;smalys...@wikimedia.orggt; napisał(a) Hi! gt;gt; there's some difference between external IDs and other properties