Re: [Wikidata-l] Number of planets in the solar system

2015-05-02 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, It strikes me as another example of a search for perfection where we do not even cater for what is good. Our priorities should be with what is common and present it well not with a game of trivia that upset showing what is good and common. Thanks, GerardM On 30 April 2015 at 18:33, Paul

Re: [Wikidata-l] Number of planets in the solar system

2015-04-30 Thread Andrew Gray
On 30 April 2015 at 12:37, Thomas Douillard thomas.douill...@gmail.com wrote: Infovarius even complicated the problem, he put the number of known planets at some time with a qualifier for validity :) Just to throw a real spanner in the works: for a lot of the nineteenth century the number

Re: [Wikidata-l] Number of planets in the solar system

2015-04-30 Thread Paul Houle
@Thomas is close to the right answer. Nothing about Pluto changed, it was the definition of Planet that is changed so you need two different definitions of Planets, but note that the definitions of themselves are somewhat timeless, so you are really pointing to some specific definition of a

Re: [Wikidata-l] Number of planets in the solar system

2015-04-30 Thread Thomas Douillard
It may not be practical, but it is still possible ;) classes like ''astronomic corp that was thought to be a planet in 1850'' are an option :) 2015-04-30 13:51 GMT+02:00 Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk: On 30 April 2015 at 12:37, Thomas Douillard thomas.douill...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Wikidata-l] Number of planets in the solar system

2015-04-29 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Ok, sounds reasonable. In all of these cases I do wonder though why we need to store the number at all. We can just count the instances, can we not? Queries allow for this (and will be an official feature in due course). And in cases where not all instances are supposed to be on Wikidata,

Re: [Wikidata-l] Number of planets in the solar system

2015-04-29 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Hi, General case first: Many statements depend on time and have an end date (e.g., population numbers). The general approach there is to (1) have a qualifier that clarifies the restricted temporal validity and (2) make the current statement preferred. So your idea with the ranks was a good

Re: [Wikidata-l] Number of planets in the solar system

2015-04-29 Thread Thomas Douillard
Actually, like it is, there is no *number of planets* property, there is a class of planet (solar system planet) together with a *number of instances* property. This might save us : we can have two item : * solar system planet (old style definition) and * solar system planet (new style definition)

[Wikidata-l] Number of planets in the solar system

2015-04-29 Thread Thomas Douillard
Hi, a small question about qualifiers and ranks. It is well known that the number of planets changed in 2006. Or did it ? Of course, Pluto is still here, it's just its status that changed. The definition of planets changed in 2006. This imply that (imho), the statement the number of planets in