Re: [Wikidata-l] input for article placeholder

2015-01-02 Thread Thomas Douillard
Yeah, you're right, I'm pretty sure Lydia has something to hide ... It must be a smokescreen. Ot maybe it's throwing a bone to Gerard such that Gerard has a bone to grumble to ;) Seriously, I'd also like queries to be ready, but I'm pretty sure Lydia and the devteam are doing their best. No

Re: [Wikidata-l] input for article placeholder

2015-01-01 Thread Sjoerd de Bruin
Hello everyone, Sure: Reasonator is a great example, but converting the whole code is taking more time then making new stuff. You just can't intergrate it. Greetings, Sjoerd de Bruin sjoerddebr...@me.com Op 30 dec. 2014, om 16:31 heeft Thomas Douillard thomas.douill...@gmail.com het

Re: [Wikidata-l] input for article placeholder

2015-01-01 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, What is your point ? Converting code ... it is about functionality. Functionality can be re-implemented. While we are waiting for that, we do not have to wait. Why should we ? What is achieved in that way ?? We certainly do not need to be in denial that query was announced more than a year

Re: [Wikidata-l] input for article placeholder

2014-12-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, With all due respect. We have something that works already in Reasonator. It covers most if not all requirements that we can possibly think of. We have gained a lot of experience in that way.. Why not implement it and improve on it conform any potential additional requirements ? Thanks,

Re: [Wikidata-l] input for article placeholder

2014-12-30 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de wrote: The problem is that we don't really know what topic the user is looking for, we just know a term (the search string or page title). The easiest thin to do would be to show an automatic disambiguation page,

Re: [Wikidata-l] input for article placeholder

2014-12-30 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, With all due respect. We have something that works already in Reasonator. It covers most if not all requirements that we can possibly think of. We have gained a lot of experience in that way.. Why not

Re: [Wikidata-l] input for article placeholder

2014-12-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Our aim is to share in the sum of all knowledge. While building on top of what Reasonator offers makes sense, Reasonator works now. So yes, do have a look at what it is missing and what could be improved but do not let that notion prevent us from sharing in the sum of all knowledge that is

Re: [Wikidata-l] input for article placeholder

2014-12-30 Thread Michał Łazowik
Hi, Wiadomość napisana przez Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com w dniu 30 gru 2014, o godz. 10:24: Reasonator works now. Yes, but the thing is that putting anything on production is not just including it there. The whole code needs to be reviewed and there are some limitations,

Re: [Wikidata-l] input for article placeholder

2014-12-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, They are mostly excuses. The software has been in use for a LONG time. It is known for its relevance for the same long time.. So the value of this need is diminished by the lack of attention in the past. The point is that these excuses are very much in the way of us achieving our goal..

Re: [Wikidata-l] input for article placeholder

2014-12-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, You also forget that it HAS been in use on several Wikipedias in the past. So when that was no problem why is it a problem that can not be overcome now and for now? Thanks, GerardM On 30 December 2014 at 12:15, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, They are mostly

Re: [Wikidata-l] input for article placeholder

2014-12-30 Thread Thomas Douillard
Hi Gerard, I like Reasonator a lot, but there is several advantages to an integrated solution : * We can reuse technologies of the mediawiki ecosystem, like for example a very important one : templates, that are already used an that a lot of wikimedians knows. It can be used to build template

Re: [Wikidata-l] input for article placeholder

2014-12-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, One of the requisites as mentioned on the page by Lydia is that it is usable on any and all projects. Relying on local only technoloy like templates do not make sense. Reasonator DOES provide functionality that is similar to what can be achieved with templating. When a person has relatives,

Re: [Wikidata-l] input for article placeholder

2014-12-30 Thread Thomas Douillard
Do you speak for the community ?? Nope, I speak for myself. Nether told anything else. Do you really know what Reasonator is about ? I don't really appreciate the tone, I think reasonator is really cool and I'm probably one of the people who pushed its use the most in Wikidata. Do you have a

[Wikidata-l] input for article placeholder

2014-12-29 Thread Lydia Pintscher
Hey folks :) People have been bugging me for a while now about this so I started a page to gather input. If you are searching for a topic on a Wikipedia for example but it doesn't have an article about it then we can look at Wikidata and see if there is a matching item for that topic. If we have

Re: [Wikidata-l] input for article placeholder

2014-12-29 Thread Daniel Kinzler
The problem is that we don't really know what topic the user is looking for, we just know a term (the search string or page title). The easiest thin to do would be to show an automatic disambiguation page, listing items that have a matching label or alias. That page would show the description for