Re: [Wikidata-l] Import from external sources

2012-03-19 Thread Denny Vrandečić
For now, Wikidata does not plan to cover the part of scraping data automatically from the Web, but only to provide a place where such data can be edited, stored, and re-published, including references. My assumption is that the community might create bots to perform such scrapings, and maybe

Re: [Wikidata-l] White-papers about Wikidata

2012-03-19 Thread Denny Vrandečić
I guess the closest are these documents: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Introduction http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Technical_proposal and the articles linked here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes which are still under development. But you have found these

Re: [Wikidata-l] Press release about Wikidata

2012-03-30 Thread Denny Vrandečić
How much more formal can it get? :) Feel free to spread and forward. 2012/3/30 John Erling Blad jeb...@gmail.com Can the link be forwarded now or should I await some formal anouncement? John On 30. mars 2012 10.49, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote: Hi all, Wikimedia

[Wikidata-l] Conservadata

2012-04-01 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Since some claim that Wikidata's model of representing statements with their references and the diversity of knowledge in the world outside is just a way to bring Wikipedia's values to the world of data, Conservapedia has launched an alternative approach to the challenges we are tackling. In good

Re: [Wikidata-l] Is CC the right license for data?

2012-04-02 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Yep, until now we always have been discussing and are strongly leaning towards CC-0 for the data content, and CC-BY-SA for the textual content of Wikidata, i.e. the project pages, discussion pages, etc. We are fully aware that most CC licenses are not adequate for data. Cheers, Denny 2012/4/2

Re: [Wikidata-l] Data_model: Metamodel: Wikipedialink

2012-04-05 Thread Denny Vrandečić
The label and the description together are meant to be identifying. I.e. Georgia - A country in central Asia, or Frankfurt - A city in Hesse, Germany, etc. Additionally, the Wikipedia links provide quite some guidance to it. Cheers, Denny 2012/4/5 Gregor Hagedorn g.m.haged...@gmail.com

Re: [Wikidata-l] SNAK - assertion?

2012-04-05 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Dear Martynas, if you try to model the following statement in RDF The population density of France, as of an 2012 estimate, is 116 per square kilometer, according to the Bilan demographique 2010. you might notice that RDF requires a reification of the statement. The data model that you have

Re: [Wikidata-l] Type namespace

2012-04-05 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Hi John, no, you have seen correctly that there is no separation between classes and instances. If this brings our model closer to topic maps, then this is convenient. I have to admit that my knowledge of topic maps is quite limited. As far as I understand it, they are an ISO standard and can be

Re: [Wikidata-l] Namespace-based model

2012-04-05 Thread Denny Vrandečić
John, your suggestion has two requirements that I think are hard to achieve: * first, we need an agreement on the set of (non-overlapping but complete) types that exist in the world * second, we would need to assume that the Wikidata editors would agree on one and exactly one type for every

Re: [Wikidata-l] Data_model: Metamodel: Wikipedialink

2012-04-05 Thread Denny Vrandečić
to be more ambiguity. Just my two cents. - Brent Brent Hecht Ph.D. Candidate in Computer Science CollabLab: The Collaborative Technology Laboratory Northwestern University w: http://www.brenthecht.com e: br...@u.northwestern.edu On Apr 5, 2012, at 4:50 PM, Denny Vrandečić wrote

Re: [Wikidata-l] SNAK - assertion?

2012-04-05 Thread Denny Vrandečić
John, thanks! I fully agree. And this is indeed pretty much what we have in our data model.* I think that we really need to get our draft mapping to RDF done, in order to show that we align pretty much with this suggestion. Cheers, Denny * well, we also add density, but I think that is merely

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata name consistency

2012-05-09 Thread Denny Vrandečić
2012/5/9 Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Chris Tophe kipmas...@gmail.com wrote: Concerning collaboration between the two projects, I am not sure why the new-Wikidata is starting from scratch, and not from the old-Wikidata, but there are

Re: [Wikidata-l] [[meta:wikitopics]] updated

2012-06-11 Thread Denny Vrandečić
I was silent on this thread mostly due to the following two points: 1. as mentioned several times, a standard for us to be considered must be free. Free as in Everyone can get it without having to pay or register for it. I can give it to anyone legally without any restrictions. Free of patents.

Re: [Wikidata-l] Forwarded from Wikidata-test-client

2012-06-11 Thread Denny Vrandečić
We are re-working the workflow for this use case. We are aiming to post something this week, as the old workflow will not be used. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Development/Storyboard_for_linking_Wikipedia_articles - the old one! Thanks for the question, this is indeed one of the

Re: [Wikidata-l] [[meta:wikitopics]] updated

2012-06-12 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Hi JMC, thank you for the explanations, I understand quite better now. Re 1, I regard it as pretty obvious. But here's the relevant sentence taken fromt he Wikimedia values: We believe that this mission requires thriving open formats and open standards on the web to allow the creation of content

Re: [Wikidata-l] less hard-core version of the data model

2012-06-22 Thread Denny Vrandečić
We are working on the RDF export draft. We will not extend RDF in any way, but use it to express the model in its entirety. We will post to this list once this is drafted. Cheers, Denny 2012/6/22 Paul A. Houle p...@ontology2.com: On 6/20/2012 6:39 AM, Lydia Pintscher wrote: Heya folks :)

[Wikidata-l] Impact of Wikidata phase I

2012-06-25 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Hi all, the first phase of Wikidata will help to centralize many of the Wikipedia language links. We did a small analysis to figure out the possible impact of this step. Here are a few highlights: * there are more than 240 million language links in the Wikipedias * they are responsible for about

Re: [Wikidata-l] Impact of Wikidata phase I

2012-06-25 Thread Denny Vrandečić
, Denny Vrandečić wrote: A full parse would have been to expensive to perform. I will update the explanatory text to reflect that. Thank you for finding this issue! A full parse is out of the question, but stripping comments should be simple enough: /!--.*?--/s -- daniel -- Daniel Kinzler

Re: [Wikidata-l] Impact of Wikidata phase I

2012-06-26 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Snaevar, thanks, that was really helpful! Cheers, Denny 2012/6/25 Snaevar snaevar-w...@gmx.com: Language links are commented out to stop bots from consistently adding the same link, while also preventing it to appear under In other languages in the sidebar. This is essentially an inproper

Re: [Wikidata-l] Impact of Wikidata phase I

2012-06-26 Thread Denny Vrandečić
be useful for you. Cheers, Christopher On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote: I'll maybe... I shouldn't... other stuff to do... gnah... Let's see. I may well do a new run in the next few days... (you do realize that some of them wikis

Re: [Wikidata-l] DBpedia usage in the bbc

2012-07-04 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Hello Michael, thank you for your input, this is extremely valuable. In general I expect that Wikidata will serve your needs better than an extraction from Wikipedia could. First, yes, we will have more stable identifiers. Second, it should be better at identifying items of interest. Some of the

Re: [Wikidata-l] DBpedia usage in the bbc

2012-07-05 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Yes, we are planning to do both in parallel, as this page explains: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes/URI_scheme Cheers, Denny 2012/7/5 Gregor Hagedorn g.m.haged...@gmail.com: I don't mean to spin this out into a tangent about Drupal. Me neither, my discussion point here is:

Re: [Wikidata-l] New York City event on July 19th

2012-07-10 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Hi Sumana, yes, we should have more data about it by tomorrow. Some logistic details are still being decided. Cheers, Denny 2012/7/10 Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.org: From your last weekly digest: we will have a talk at the New York Times, open to the public, on Thursday, July

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata links

2012-08-03 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Hi Michael, answers inline. 2012/7/26 Michael Smethurst michael.smethu...@bbc.co.uk: Very delayed reply but think I'm still confused on this. Made a picture to clear my mind but not sure it works: http://smethur.st/wikidata The bit I think I get: If I request

Re: [Wikidata-l] Export of Wikidata in RDF

2012-08-06 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Just done. 2012/8/6 Yury Katkov katkov.ju...@gmail.com: Hi Denny! These news are probably worth spreading to Semantic Web and LOD mailing lists. - Yury Katkov On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote: Hello all, we finally have

Re: [Wikidata-l] [Wikitech-l] Deployment of Wikidata

2012-08-06 Thread Denny Vrandečić
2012/8/5 Scott MacLeod worlduniversityandsch...@gmail.com: What's the deployment plan, for languages 10 through 285 (number of Wikipedia languages) through 7,358 (per The Ethnologue), particularly in terms of developing community email lists (graduate students?) Beyond the first few Wikipedias

Re: [Wikidata-l] [Wikitech-l] Deployment of Wikidata

2012-08-06 Thread Denny Vrandečić
And I forgot to add: many, many thanks for organizing and holding the discussion on the it.wp! This is extremely appreciated. Once we go to Phase II testing we certainly will keep that in mind! You people are awesome! Cheers, Denny 2012/8/6 Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de: Ciao

Re: [Wikidata-l] thoughts about a plan for enabling interlanguage linking

2012-08-13 Thread Denny Vrandečić
2012/8/13 Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de: On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 5:58 AM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: 2012/8/13 Snaevar snaevar-w...@gmx.com: Is this http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:MerlIwBot/WikiData what you are looking for? Well, probably.

Re: [Wikidata-l] i18n, l10n and m17n in Wikidata - lang and dir

2012-08-13 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Hi Amir, thanks for the bug report! We will go and implement it along the lines you suggest it. I have one question still, maybe you can help me: About 10% of the titles in the Hebrew Wikipedia are in latin alphabet (very rough estimate, may be completely off, based of a glance on

Re: [Wikidata-l] Phase II UI concept

2012-08-13 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Hi Tgr, thank you for the input! 2012/8/12 Tgr gti...@gmail.com: These mockups seem focused on displaying data, with very little focus on search/organization (there is only a reliability filter in the mockups and a text search in some of them). If Wikidata is intended only as an infobox

Re: [Wikidata-l] i18n, l10n and m17n in Wikidata - lang and dir

2012-08-13 Thread Denny Vrandečić
it. -- Amir 2012/8/13 Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de: Hi Amir, thanks for the bug report! We will go and implement it along the lines you suggest it. I have one question still, maybe you can help me: About 10% of the titles in the Hebrew Wikipedia are in latin alphabet (very rough

Re: [Wikidata-l] watching Wikidata changes that affect my wiki

2012-08-14 Thread Denny Vrandečić
It is not. Wikidata would know if an article on Eva exists in the Wikipedia of a given language (if it is appropriately connected), and thus would be able to automatically offer the link or not. Cheers, Denny 2012/8/14 dr.cueppers.g...@arcor.de: In cases of changing an old name by a new name

Re: [Wikidata-l] thoughts about a plan for enabling interlanguage linking

2012-08-14 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Let's see. Joancreaus on IRC I think mentioned that he was interested in pywikipedia + wikidata. I hope that there are enough people interested in that so that the pywp community won't have to wait too long to use that beautiful framework. Cheers, Denny 2012/8/14 Snaevar snaevar-w...@gmx.com:

Re: [Wikidata-l] watching Wikidata changes that affect my wiki

2012-08-14 Thread Denny Vrandečić
The editors would need to make the connections explicitly between the article. The software would not be guessing it, if that is what you are assuming. And the editors should be good at getting the correct one. Together with Marco's answer, does it make it clearer? 2012/8/14

Re: [Wikidata-l] changing wikidata-item properties with multilingual labels

2012-08-14 Thread Denny Vrandečić
The idea is that the mayor would not be represented as a String value, even for smaller cities, but always by an item. This would possibly lead to items that have no Wikipedia articles associated to them, but there is no problem with that. But humans (and other entities) should not be represented

Re: [Wikidata-l] changing wikidata-item properties with multilingual labels

2012-08-15 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Hi Gregor, I disagree mostly with you in the question of using strings or items for persons, but incidentally, that does not matter. I agree with you fully in the following point: 2012/8/14 Gregor Hagedorn g.m.haged...@gmail.com: I would prefer if the decision whether entity-identity is known

Re: [Wikidata-l] changing wikidata-item properties with multilingual labels

2012-08-17 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Theoretically multitext could be replaced, but I would not like to do that. A property like Tagline for a movie or motto for a country might make sense to be a multitext. Yes, you could make the tagline of a movie an item -- but do we really want to require it to be an intermediary item? The

Re: [Wikidata-l] changing wikidata-item properties with multilingual labels

2012-08-17 Thread Denny Vrandečić
2012/8/17 Gregor Hagedorn g.m.haged...@gmail.com: Monotext is irreplaceable, though, and it means a simple string without a language designation. Something like Chemical symbol, I guess, would be a monotext, or ISO 3166 code. A intermediary item could not do the job in that case. I think

Re: [Wikidata-l] extension:oversight

2012-08-17 Thread Denny Vrandečić
The idea of installing the extensions that are running on the Wikipedias on the client is to see if we encounter any weird interactions that shouldn't be there, i.e. it is some mild form of integration testing. Thus installing Oversight makes sense, as it runs on the Wikipedias. Cheers, Denny

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata, ISO and chembox

2012-09-04 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Because we ARE using standards like RDF or OWL (or HTML or URIs) which are W3C and IETF standards, and which in turn have a well documented policy regarding patents and copyrights, see e.g. http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Patent-Policy-20040205/ for W3C standards. I hope that answers that question.

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata, ISO and chembox

2012-09-04 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Nadja, John's question was: So, the consequent question I asked then was, if you're not going to use any (ISO or national) standard then how can you assure the WP community that Wikidata is not violating someone's copyright(s)? My answer to that question was that we are using standards. And

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata, ISO and chembox

2012-09-04 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Nadja wrote: Hello Denny Vrandecic I hope you have a lawyer who checks this, on a first 1 min glance at this page it doesnt look to me obvious that a collision (like when creating a classification scheme as described in my previous email and as John asked) is excluded, it looks more as the

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata, ISO and chembox

2012-09-05 Thread Denny Vrandečić
2012/9/5 Nadja Kutz na...@daytar.de: Is it planned by the Wikidata team that someone phones these people in Geneva and asks wether wikidata could at least base its ontology (here I mean in particular the overall classification scheme, like a hammer is a tool a.s.o) on the ISO Standard

Re: [Wikidata-l] Changes to the API for Wikidata

2012-09-07 Thread Denny Vrandečić
2012/9/5 Marco Fleckinger marco.fleckin...@gmail.com: Hi, On 05.09.2012 10:39, John Erling Blad wrote: Please note that this is a breaking change for bots! It is decided that the module wbsetitem will change from the present short form in the json structure to a long form. Exactly how the

Re: [Wikidata-l] Complete Datamodel in WON

2012-09-17 Thread Denny Vrandečić
2012/9/17 Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.com: if two items have the same description, can one of them use an alias that is the title of the other? Good question. Right now this is not enforced. Then again, right now aliases are not used anywhere for lookups except in the fulltext search

Re: [Wikidata-l] Complete Datamodel in WON

2012-09-17 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Re: keys for properties For now the following solution seems to be the simplest: * make labels for properties be unique for a given language In that case they can be used as keys. Every wiki has one (and exactly one) site language. If the label is unique, a property can be addressed by

Re: [Wikidata-l] Entities, statements and claims

2012-09-17 Thread Denny Vrandečić
That sounds very good to me. +1 (or am I allowed to say +2 ? ;) 2012/9/16 Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.com: Hey, There is some disagreement regarding the interface to access statements in various entities. == Current implementation == This is not fully implemented yet, but it's what

Re: [Wikidata-l] update from the Hebrew Wikipedia

2012-10-12 Thread Denny Vrandečić
2012/10/12 Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de: On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: 5. Somebody complained that it's too easy to remove a link from a repo - clicking the remove link is enough. I mentioned it in a bug report:

Re: [Wikidata-l] JSON representation

2012-10-25 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Qualifiers, like other user-generated properties, will be represented by a name like p72137, not by rank. Therefore a clash cannot happen. In the example we only used names in order to make it more readable. Cheers, Denny 2012/10/18 Andreas Schultz a.schu...@mes-semantics.com: Hi Daniel,

Re: [Wikidata-l] New release of Pywikidata: feature requests?

2012-10-26 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Hi Amir, Hi Joan, thank you both for your great work on the Python Bots that you are creating for Wikidata. The two of you have uncovered an important double abstraction of Wikidata: the dual life of items and pages. Yes, Wikidata is MediaWiki. An item is represented on one page. And can thus be

Re: [Wikidata-l] wikidata.org is live (with some caveats)

2012-11-01 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Wikidata properties will be translated like items, i.e. they will have wiki pages on Wikidata with labels (actually, you can see that already on our demo version). Properties are not specific to a Wikibase-Instance, which is why it would not make sense to translate them using TranslateWiki.

Re: [Wikidata-l] Bots and the new API

2012-11-26 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Not contradictory, merely confusing :) Whether you should, is the communities decision. I was merely mentioning that I would be happy if there was a bit to do for humans still, because they write better bug reports. On the other hand, considering we already have over 100k items, it is probably

Re: [Wikidata-l] Deadlines - phases #1-3

2012-11-27 Thread Denny Vrandečić
We cannot provide hard deadlines, as it depends on reviews, deployment windows, etc. Also, sometimes other issues -- like the fundraiser -- simply have precedence. As Alexander pointed out, the repository part of phase 1 is deployed. We expect to deploy the client as a test very soon, and in

Re: [Wikidata-l] MediaWiki - User interface guidelines

2012-11-27 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Yes, there is something wrong with the divs. Need to investigate. 2012/11/27 Lukas Benedix bene...@zedat.fu-berlin.de Am 27.11.2012 12:53, schrieb Anja Jentzsch: Hi, On 27/11/2012 10:59 Marco Fleckinger wrote: Btw: I have one notes on the HTML in the Repository [2]: * there is a

Re: [Wikidata-l] Deadlines - phases #1-3

2012-11-27 Thread Denny Vrandečić
As said, this is correct with regard to deployment. We will not, though, halt developing phase 2 until phase 1 is fully deployed. So development of phase 1 is finished, its deployment is not yet. And we cannot promise or predict when deployment of phase 1 will be completely finished. Development

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata license (was Introduction and some questions on Wikidata)

2012-11-28 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Can you give me a reference for the statement that CCBYSA and ODBL are compatible? I understand that they have certain similarities, but I want to understand if I can take ODBL content and relicense it under CCBYSA and the other way around. Or else what do you mean with compatible? 2012/11/28

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata license (was Introduction and some questions on Wikidata)

2012-11-28 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Ooghe-Tabanou from Regards Citoyens (France) On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote: Can you give me a reference for the statement that CCBYSA and ODBL are compatible? I understand that they have certain similarities, but I want to understand if I

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata license (was Introduction and some questions on Wikidata)

2012-11-30 Thread Denny Vrandečić
There is some confusion in this thread. A single data item is not licensable. The fact that Berlin is the capital of Germany, or that the population of the Seychelles is 84,000 is not licensable. Let us hope that this will never change. Copyright covers a specific expression, e.g. a concrete

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata license (was Introduction and some questions on Wikidata)

2012-11-30 Thread Denny Vrandečić
2012/11/30 Avenue avenu...@gmail.com Yes, but in some jurisdictions the licenses are the only things allowing lawful use of the data (at least in sizeable portions). I'm concerned that we'd put some users, and maybe entire projects, at unnecessary legal risk if we ignore this. You make it

[Wikidata-l] Wikidata deployment schedule

2012-12-03 Thread Denny Vrandečić
From http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Deployment_schedule : If everything goes well, we will deploy a new version of the Wikibase extension today to Wikidata, probably around 7-9pm UTC (i.e. in the next few hours). Things might go wrong, deployment might stall, or we might need

Re: [Wikidata-l] deployment of fixes to RTL bugs

2012-12-03 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Hopefully today. 2012/12/2 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il Hello, There are a few RTL bugs that were already fixed in the Wikibase code a while ago, but don't seem to be deployed yet. In particular, these two are quite disruptive: *

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata deployment schedule

2012-12-03 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Due to an DB schema update issue we did not deploy today. The wiki was read-only for a short while, as we started deployment, but we rolled it back. Nevertheless big thanks to everyone involved. We will reassess the schedule. Cheers, Denny 2012/12/3 Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de

Re: [Wikidata-l] Database rights

2012-12-12 Thread Denny Vrandečić
We have talked informally to some lawyers, some of them specialists in the relevant fields. Basically the understanding I was previously describing was confirmed, but more importantly there has been only a small number of cases testing out the implementation of the European database directive (and

Re: [Wikidata-l] Data values

2012-12-18 Thread Denny Vrandečić
, this could be viable. (Non-linear transformations -- most notoriously temperature -- will get its own implementation anyway) Opinions? 2012/12/17 Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de As Phase 2 is progressing, we have to decide on how to represent data values. I have created a draft

Re: [Wikidata-l] Data values

2012-12-18 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Thank you for your comments, Marco. 2012/12/18 Marco Fleckinger marco.fleckin...@wikipedia.at On 2012-12-18 15:29, Denny Vrandečić wrote: * Time: right now the data model assumes that the precision is given on the level decade / year / month etc., which means you can enter a date of birth

Re: [Wikidata-l] Data values

2012-12-18 Thread Denny Vrandečić
at Noon, but not the specific day. Friedrich On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote: Thanks for the input so far. Here are a few explicit questions that I have: * Time: right now the data model assumes that the precision is given

Re: [Wikidata-l] Data values

2012-12-19 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Martynas, could you please let me know where RDF or any of the W3C standards covers topics like units, uncertainty, and their conversion. I would be very much interested in that. Cheers, Denny 2012/12/19 Martynas Jusevičius marty...@graphity.org Hey wikidatians, occasionally checking

Re: [Wikidata-l] Data values

2012-12-20 Thread Denny Vrandečić
I am still trying to catch up with the whole discussion and to distill the results, both here and on the wiki. In the meanwhile, I have tried to create a prototype of how a complex model can still be entered in a simple fashion. A simple demo can be found here: http://simia.net/valueparser/ The

Re: [Wikidata-l] Data values

2012-12-21 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Hi all, wow! Thanks for all the input. I read it all through, and am trying to digest it currently into a new draft of the data model for the discussed data values. I will try to adress some questions here. Please be kind if I refer the wrong person at one place or the other. Whenever I refer to

Re: [Wikidata-l] Locations and times

2013-01-04 Thread Denny Vrandečić
...) 2013/1/3 Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk On 3 January 2013 16:11, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote: What it currently does not do is: * enable dates like Date of birth: 437-436 BC That'a complex issue, but some interesting work on a draft standard, has been done

Re: [Wikidata-l] Locations and times

2013-01-04 Thread Denny Vrandečić
/Ficheiro:Bahia_Municip_Salvador.svg [2] https://scruzwiki.org/map/City_of_Santa_Cruz/_edit 2013/1/3 Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de Hi all, continuing from last weeks data values discussion, I would like to invite comments on the following prototypes for understanding points

Re: [Wikidata-l] Locations and times

2013-01-04 Thread Denny Vrandečić
).aspx [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601#Calendar_dates On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote: Hi all, continuing from last weeks data values discussion, I would like to invite comments on the following prototypes for understanding

Re: [Wikidata-l] Locations and times

2013-01-04 Thread Denny Vrandečić
) Sk!d On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote: Hi all, continuing from last weeks data values discussion, I would like to invite comments on the following prototypes for understanding points of time and points on Earth. http://simia.net

Re: [Wikidata-l] Locations and times

2013-01-04 Thread Denny Vrandečić
year. On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote: If you enter 15. Jan 2013 it will know the difference. The goal of the datatype is to understand a point in time within a given precision. 15th of January is not a point in time, it is a recurring date

Re: [Wikidata-l] Locations and times

2013-01-04 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Should the coordinates 456,-234 be understood as 84, 126, or should they just be an error? 2013/1/3 Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk On 3 January 2013 16:11, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote: What it currently does not do is: * enable dates like Date of birth

Re: [Wikidata-l] Update to time and space model

2013-01-08 Thread Denny Vrandečić
2013/1/8 Gregor Hagedorn g.m.haged...@gmail.com ON COORDINATES: a) what you describe is more specific than a geolocation (which may be expressed by other means than coordinates). I suggest to give the data type the more specific name: geocoordinates Yep, agreed. Or just coordinates.

Re: [Wikidata-l] Update to time and space model

2013-01-08 Thread Denny Vrandečić
. but otherwise it seems like the same things. (And they can be transformed from one to the other using a simple factor). 2013/1/8 Katie Filbert katie.filb...@wikimedia.de On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rswrote: On 08/01/13 12:36, Denny Vrandečić wrote

[Wikidata-l] Is the inclusion syntax powerful enough?

2013-01-10 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Hi all, We did yet another version of the inclusion syntax (admittedly, the last one is a few months old). We decided to very much simplify the syntax and also the ability of the inclusion syntax, and depend on anything more complex than what will be possible with that syntax on Lua. I am

Re: [Wikidata-l] Coordinate datatype -- update

2013-01-17 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Exactly. This is about the backend and the API. The user will rather use a Widget maybe similar to this one: http://localhost/~denny_WMDE/valueparser/time.html 2013/1/17 Luca Martinelli martinellil...@gmail.com 2013/1/17 Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de: Based on the feedback

Re: [Wikidata-l] Coordinate datatype -- update

2013-01-17 Thread Denny Vrandečić
I heard this URL might be better than the previous on most setups: http://simia.net/valueparser/time.html 2013/1/17 Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de Exactly. This is about the backend and the API. The user will rather use a Widget maybe similar to this one: http://localhost

[Wikidata-l] Fwd: Todos for RDF export

2013-01-29 Thread Denny Vrandečić
2013/1/25 Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de Hi! I thought about the RDF export a bit, and I think we should break this up into several steps for better tracking. Here is what I think needs to be done: Daniel, I am answering to Wikidata-l, and adding Tpt (since he started working

Re: [Wikidata-l] wikidata stats (was: getting some stats for the Hungarian Wikipedia)

2013-02-01 Thread Denny Vrandečić
No, not by design. The design would be to have http://en.wikidata.org/wiki/Breck be an alias for http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q123803 but we didn't have yet the time to set this up properly. If anyone knows Apache well and has some time on their hands, please ping me on IRC. Right now, they

Re: [Wikidata-l] Reification in Wikidata serialisation

2013-02-04 Thread Denny Vrandečić
We are reluctant, but open, to renaming it. But not to Fact. Statement has the nice ambiguous quality regarding its correctness which Fact lacks. On the other hand, the similarity to rdf:Statement is not merely syntactic, so I do not see too much of an issue here. 2013/2/1 Nicholas Humfrey

Re: [Wikidata-l] Bug Report for Q17 Japan - Cannot remove the extra language

2013-02-06 Thread Denny Vrandečić
I assume you mean the unability to remove the second Yen. This is... interesting. We have right now no idea what is going one. Investigating. Thank you for reporting, Denny 2013/2/6 Napoleon Tan napoleon@gmail.com I think the wikidata Item entry for Japan is corrupted. I cannot remove

Re: [Wikidata-l] first parts of phase 2 live on wikidata.org now

2013-02-06 Thread Denny Vrandečić
It is a feature. The reason for that is that in the Wikipedias when you access the data you can't use the property names otherwise - they have to be unique. So in order to be able to write {{#property:capital}}, the capital property needs to be unique (and a {{#property:p25}} we considered to be

Re: [Wikidata-l] Complaint about the partial Phase II deployment

2013-02-08 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Sven, thank you for your honest opinion, and I know that you are not alone with it - but I also heard a lot of people express excitement and joy about the deployment, and based on the activity it seems that a lot of people like it. We consider ourselves happy to be part of an intelligent and

Re: [Wikidata-l] deployment on enwp delayed

2013-02-13 Thread Denny Vrandečić
We are still working on a postmortem. As of now, it seems there has been some serious memchached failures and some interplay with another software deployment. 2013/2/13 Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.com What were the issues in detail? 2013/2/12 Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de

Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on the English Wikipedia

2013-02-13 Thread Denny Vrandečić
You have examples of that? Did not happen to my edits (so far). 2013/2/13 Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de Block them until they behave? 2013/2/13 Katie Chan k...@ktchan.info On 13/02/2013 21:01, Lydia Pintscher wrote: Heya :) Third time's a charm, right? We're live

Re: [Wikidata-l] new code deployed on wikidata.org

2013-02-19 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Not yet. We're working on it, and it's the top new datatype on our list. 2013/2/19 Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com Congratulations! Much more usable now! S... StringType? ;-) On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote: Hey :)

Re: [Wikidata-l] One entity per page question

2013-03-06 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Yes, every Wikidata page is about one and exactly one entity. There cannot be two entities on one page. Bonny and Clyde is one entity, designing the pair of people. Bonny and Clyde each might also be one entity each, and there could be relevant connections between the three entities Bonny,

Re: [Wikidata-l] [Wikimedia-l] Are there plans for interactions between wikidata and wiktionaries ?

2013-03-11 Thread Denny Vrandečić
There is currently a number of things going on re the future of Wiktionary. There is, for example, the suggestion to adopt OmegaWiki, which could potentially complicate a Wikibase-Solution in the future (but then again, structured data is often rather easy to transform):

Re: [Wikidata-l] Expiration date for data

2013-03-14 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Hi Dario, two or three features are still missing to enable that (sorted in order we are probably going to deploy them): * qualifiers * the time datatype * statement ranks As soon as they are available, this can be modeled in a way that it can be useful for projects accessing the data. So,

Re: [Wikidata-l] question about Inclusion policy discussion

2013-03-14 Thread Denny Vrandečić
That is a tough question. We are pretty sure that we technically scale quite well, and there is no reason that the community should restrict itself out of technical reasons. If the number of item suddenly increases by one or two orders of magnitudes, we would probably meet a few hiccups on the

Re: [Wikidata-l] Expiration date for data

2013-03-21 Thread Denny Vrandečić
We will have a time datatype, and every property is strongly typed. This is also true for properties used as qualifiers. Regarding the priority of qualifiers: very high. They are the next major UI feature to be deployed, and as far as I can tell from the progress of the team it looks like they

Re: [Wikidata-l] Expiration date for data

2013-03-21 Thread Denny Vrandečić
We do have strong types, but only few of time: item, commons media, string, time, geo, URL. Government leader would not be a supported type. The exact list and details are here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Data_model#Datatypes_and_their_Values Cheers, Denny 2013/3/21 Michael

Re: [Wikidata-l] Expiration date for data

2013-03-21 Thread Denny Vrandečić
It really depends on your definitions :) Items are strongly typed as items. Any item can have any property. And only items can have properties. Time or geocoordinates, e.g., can not have properties. But yes, there is no forcing of properties onto any item, nor any restriction of usage of every

Re: [Wikidata-l] A data model for Roman forts (castra)

2013-03-27 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Oh, I would please ask to wait another week or two, for us to have qualifiers. Maybe they can deal with some of these cases. We just got them demoed today, and they really look neat, so I am very convinced they will be there with the next update. 2013/3/27 Michael Hale hale.michael...@live.com

[Wikidata-l] Wikidata queries

2013-03-28 Thread Denny Vrandečić
We have a first write up of how we plan to support queries in Wikidata. Comments on our errors and requests for clarifications are more than welcome. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Development/Queries Cheers, Denny P.S.: unfortunately, no easter eggs inside. -- Project director

Re: [Wikidata-l] How does wikidata handle topic redirect/merge/split

2013-04-02 Thread Denny Vrandečić
) can be added to what links here. Feel free to include back the distribution list in your reply if you see merits in this suggestion. Best Regards, Alex On Apr 2, 2013, at 9:54 AM, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote: Hi Janyong, as Michael said, Wikidata does

Re: [Wikidata-l] [Wikitech-l] Wikidata queries

2013-04-03 Thread Denny Vrandečić
end well. I am not even sure it is much more complicated. But I am very worried it is too different. Cheers, Denny Petr Onderka [[en:User:Svick]] 2013/3/28 Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de: We have a first write up of how we plan to support queries in Wikidata. Comments

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