Re: [Wikidata] Using wikibase for creating structured vocabularies collaboratively

2016-10-12 Thread Claudia Müller-Birn 
Hi Denny,

I contacted him separately (just to make sure that he gets the question) and 
share the results.

Claudia

> On 12 Oct 2016, at 22:28, Denny Vrandečić  wrote:
> 
> No, wouldn't know of any. Wikibase is still rather new in this field, and to 
> the best of my knowledge there has been no evaluation of the two for the task 
> of collaborative vocabulary management.
> 
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 1:20 PM Claudia Müller-Birn  
> wrote:
> Dear Denny,
> 
> Thanks for the pointers, some of them are surprisingly new to me. However, I 
> was wondering if there are articles that especially compared Wikibase and 
> Semantic MediaWiki. Any idea?
> 
> Many thanks.
> 
> Claudia
> 
> > On 12 Oct 2016, at 22:05, Denny Vrandečić  wrote:
> >
> > SMW has been used successfully in the past for such projects, indeed has 
> > been developed with that in mind. A few papers here:
> >
> > http://www.semantic-cora.org/index.php/Publications_and_Talks
> >
> > http://www.aifb.kit.edu/web/Frank_Dengler/Publikationen/en
> >
> > https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation=en=PdsmmEkJ_for_view=PdsmmEkJ:IjCSPb-OGe4C
> > https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation=en=PdsmmEkJ_for_view=PdsmmEkJ:2osOgNQ5qMEC
> > https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation=en=PdsmmEkJ_for_view=PdsmmEkJ:Tyk-4Ss8FVUC
> >
> > https://km.aifb.kit.edu/ws/ckc2007/accepted.htm#papers
> >
> > But these are just a few pointers, and I am sure it is quite out of that by 
> > now.
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 12:54 PM Federico Leva (Nemo)  
> > wrote:
> > Claudia Müller-Birn, 12/10/2016 21:11:
> > > wonder if there are other projects than Wikidata that are using Wikibase 
> > > for structuring their data
> >
> > http://www.eagle-network.eu/wiki/index.php/Main_Page , as documented on
> > http://wikiba.se/projects/ . You can ask on this list if you have questions.
> >
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Re: [Wikidata] Using wikibase for creating structured vocabularies collaboratively

2016-10-12 Thread Claudia Müller-Birn 
Thanks Gregor. I will add this to my list.

Btw, I will distill all information and will share in a separate email.

So far, I am overwhelmed by all responses - great. 

Claudia

> On 12 Oct 2016, at 22:31, Gregor Hagedorn  
> wrote:
> 
> Here some old pointers to our TDWG - biodiversity - ViBRANT work from 2013:
> http://www.gbif.org/resource/80862
> https://mbgserv18.mobot.org/ocs/index.php/tdwg/2013/paper/view/545
> creating this SMW wiki:
> http://terms.tdwg.org/wiki/
> (with a SKOS vocab management system)
> 
> My own assessment: there are serious limitation in SMW, which can be worked 
> with (e.g. we use an in-wiki xslt script to post-process), but having a more 
> powerful system like wikidata would be most welcome.
> 
> However, to my present knowledge, the wikidata/wikibase based system would 
> have to have a custom programmed user interface to make it usable, something 
> the great semantic form extensions in SMW already make possible.
> 
> Best
> 
> gregor
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Re: [Wikidata] Using wikibase for creating structured vocabularies collaboratively

2016-10-12 Thread Julie McMurry 
Chris Mungall & co were just awarded a grant to develop tooling for mere
mortals to create ontologies.
Copying him in here to comment.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 4:40 PM, Denny Vrandečić 
wrote:

> I don't know if Jakob Voss is on this list, but he had a recent paper on
> using Wikidata (not Wikibase) for NKOS terminology.
>
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 1:32 PM Gregor Hagedorn <
> gregor.haged...@mfn-berlin.de> wrote:
>
>> Here some old pointers to our TDWG - biodiversity - ViBRANT work from
>> 2013:
>> http://www.gbif.org/resource/80862
>> https://mbgserv18.mobot.org/ocs/index.php/tdwg/2013/paper/view/545
>> creating this SMW wiki:
>> http://terms.tdwg.org/wiki/
>> (with a SKOS vocab management system)
>>
>> My own assessment: there are serious limitation in SMW, which can be
>> worked with (e.g. we use an in-wiki xslt script to post-process), but
>> having a more powerful system like wikidata would be most welcome.
>>
>> However, to my present knowledge, the wikidata/wikibase based system
>> would have to have a custom programmed user interface to make it usable,
>> something the great semantic form extensions in SMW already make possible.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> gregor
>>
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Re: [Wikidata] Using wikibase for creating structured vocabularies collaboratively

2016-10-12 Thread Denny Vrandečić 
I don't know if Jakob Voss is on this list, but he had a recent paper on
using Wikidata (not Wikibase) for NKOS terminology.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 1:32 PM Gregor Hagedorn <
gregor.haged...@mfn-berlin.de> wrote:

> Here some old pointers to our TDWG - biodiversity - ViBRANT work from 2013:
> http://www.gbif.org/resource/80862
> https://mbgserv18.mobot.org/ocs/index.php/tdwg/2013/paper/view/545
> creating this SMW wiki:
> http://terms.tdwg.org/wiki/
> (with a SKOS vocab management system)
>
> My own assessment: there are serious limitation in SMW, which can be
> worked with (e.g. we use an in-wiki xslt script to post-process), but
> having a more powerful system like wikidata would be most welcome.
>
> However, to my present knowledge, the wikidata/wikibase based system would
> have to have a custom programmed user interface to make it usable,
> something the great semantic form extensions in SMW already make possible.
>
> Best
>
> gregor
>
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Re: [Wikidata] Using wikibase for creating structured vocabularies collaboratively

2016-10-12 Thread Gregor Hagedorn 
Here some old pointers to our TDWG - biodiversity - ViBRANT work from 2013:
http://www.gbif.org/resource/80862
https://mbgserv18.mobot.org/ocs/index.php/tdwg/2013/paper/view/545
creating this SMW wiki:
http://terms.tdwg.org/wiki/
(with a SKOS vocab management system)

My own assessment: there are serious limitation in SMW, which can be worked
with (e.g. we use an in-wiki xslt script to post-process), but having a
more powerful system like wikidata would be most welcome.

However, to my present knowledge, the wikidata/wikibase based system would
have to have a custom programmed user interface to make it usable,
something the great semantic form extensions in SMW already make possible.

Best

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Re: [Wikidata] Using wikibase for creating structured vocabularies collaboratively

2016-10-12 Thread Denny Vrandečić 
No, wouldn't know of any. Wikibase is still rather new in this field, and
to the best of my knowledge there has been no evaluation of the two for the
task of collaborative vocabulary management.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 1:20 PM Claudia Müller-Birn 
wrote:

> Dear Denny,
>
> Thanks for the pointers, some of them are surprisingly new to me. However,
> I was wondering if there are articles that especially compared Wikibase and
> Semantic MediaWiki. Any idea?
>
> Many thanks.
>
> Claudia
>
> > On 12 Oct 2016, at 22:05, Denny Vrandečić  wrote:
> >
> > SMW has been used successfully in the past for such projects, indeed has
> been developed with that in mind. A few papers here:
> >
> > http://www.semantic-cora.org/index.php/Publications_and_Talks
> >
> > http://www.aifb.kit.edu/web/Frank_Dengler/Publikationen/en
> >
> >
> https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation=en=PdsmmEkJ_for_view=PdsmmEkJ:IjCSPb-OGe4C
> >
> https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation=en=PdsmmEkJ_for_view=PdsmmEkJ:2osOgNQ5qMEC
> >
> https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation=en=PdsmmEkJ_for_view=PdsmmEkJ:Tyk-4Ss8FVUC
> >
> > https://km.aifb.kit.edu/ws/ckc2007/accepted.htm#papers
> >
> > But these are just a few pointers, and I am sure it is quite out of that
> by now.
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 12:54 PM Federico Leva (Nemo) <
> nemow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Claudia Müller-Birn, 12/10/2016 21:11:
> > > wonder if there are other projects than Wikidata that are using
> Wikibase for structuring their data
> >
> > http://www.eagle-network.eu/wiki/index.php/Main_Page , as documented on
> > http://wikiba.se/projects/ . You can ask on this list if you have
> questions.
> >
> > Nemo
> >
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Re: [Wikidata] Using wikibase for creating structured vocabularies collaboratively

2016-10-12 Thread Claudia Müller-Birn 
Dear Denny,

Thanks for the pointers, some of them are surprisingly new to me. However, I 
was wondering if there are articles that especially compared Wikibase and 
Semantic MediaWiki. Any idea?

Many thanks.

Claudia

> On 12 Oct 2016, at 22:05, Denny Vrandečić  wrote:
> 
> SMW has been used successfully in the past for such projects, indeed has been 
> developed with that in mind. A few papers here:
> 
> http://www.semantic-cora.org/index.php/Publications_and_Talks 
> 
> http://www.aifb.kit.edu/web/Frank_Dengler/Publikationen/en 
> 
> https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation=en=PdsmmEkJ_for_view=PdsmmEkJ:IjCSPb-OGe4C
>  
> https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation=en=PdsmmEkJ_for_view=PdsmmEkJ:2osOgNQ5qMEC
>  
> https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation=en=PdsmmEkJ_for_view=PdsmmEkJ:Tyk-4Ss8FVUC
>  
> 
> https://km.aifb.kit.edu/ws/ckc2007/accepted.htm#papers 
> 
> But these are just a few pointers, and I am sure it is quite out of that by 
> now. 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 12:54 PM Federico Leva (Nemo)  
> wrote:
> Claudia Müller-Birn, 12/10/2016 21:11:
> > wonder if there are other projects than Wikidata that are using Wikibase 
> > for structuring their data
> 
> http://www.eagle-network.eu/wiki/index.php/Main_Page , as documented on
> http://wikiba.se/projects/ . You can ask on this list if you have questions.
> 
> Nemo
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Re: [Wikidata] Using wikibase for creating structured vocabularies collaboratively

2016-10-12 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo) 

Claudia Müller-Birn, 12/10/2016 21:11:

wonder if there are other projects than Wikidata that are using Wikibase for 
structuring their data


http://www.eagle-network.eu/wiki/index.php/Main_Page , as documented on 
http://wikiba.se/projects/ . You can ask on this list if you have questions.


Nemo

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